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kess

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Nobody really does.

It's just funny that Bernie took such a detour from his campaign at such a pivotal moment, because his team thought they could turn a meeting with the Pope into something that looked an awfully lot like an endorsement without it actually being one.

And all they got was a lousy hallway chance encounter with no photographs.

LOL - it was an attempt to make Bernie look presidential and it backfired hilariously.

There are dozens of artists working on depictions of this blessed moment as we speak
 

Prologue

Member
I looked to see if I was registered to vote (NY), and I'm not? I voted for Obama back in 08 and everything. Why am I not coming up? Am I too late to do anything? I also moved to a different part of NY recently.
 
Thinking about taking Tuesday off so I can really enjoy the day.

While Hillary has obviously been well ahead, I think a decisive win tomorrow for Queen can make it so I can finally rest easy.
 
Because he's willing to criticize capitalism. There's more to the left than social issues alone.

Give me a Capitalist society with strong social left policies like gay rights, abortion rights, rights for women to work where they wish than some socialist world built on compromising on social values.
 

HUELEN10

Member
Well... that's certainly an interesting primary concern with Cruz

I'd personally go for the whole carpet bombing advocacy and associating with a pastor that calls for executing gays, but w/e
Here's the thing though. He can stop being a stupid bigot if he wants to, but he can never stop being born in Canada, so I don't understand why lack of eligibility wouldn't be the primary concern, as that is the one thing that can't change.

And yes, I know there are eyebrows raised whenever someone says that Ted Cruz isn't eligible, but I truly believe he isn't, and I am definitely not alone in that thought process. Love Canada, hope to emigrate there one day, and much love to the Canadian people, but a Canadian does not belong in The White House.
 

dramatis

Member
I was surfing Youtube and it looks like Bernie's campaign actually made a 30 second ad about "$200000/hr"

lol Is he running that ad in NY?
 

pigeon

Banned
As far as I can tell, 0% of people on either side of this discussion are actually Catholic.

It's almost starting to be offensive! Like obviously you can't be racist against us because we have so much power we literally have our own country, but we're still not, like, stupid.
 

dabig2

Member
Give me a Capitalist society with strong social left policies like gay rights, abortion rights, rights for women to work where they wish than some socialist world built on compromising on social values.

You almost seem to be arguing mutual exclusivity here. And how does Sanders brief praising of the Pope for his economic issues compromise Sanders' belief in strong leftist social values? Obama, Hillary, and every liberal politician you can think of praise and meet with a lot of people far worse than the current Pope when it comes to progressive social issues.
 

Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
As far as I can tell, 0% of people on either side of this discussion are actually Catholic.

It's almost starting to be offensive! Like obviously you can't be racist against us because we have so much power we literally have our own country, but we're still not, like, stupid.
I'm technically Catholic. I like Francis. I certainly don't have a purity test for il Papa.

I still don't think he has any like

Political sway
 
Nobody really does.

It's just funny that Bernie took such a detour from his campaign at such a pivotal moment, because his team thought they could turn a meeting with the Pope into something that looked an awfully lot like an endorsement without it actually being one.

And all they got was a lousy hallway chance encounter with no photographs.

LOL - it was an attempt to make Bernie look presidential and it backfired hilariously.

I also recall Romney trying a stunt like this in 2012 that backfired hilariously.

(And I'm not even talking about Benghazi!)
 

Maledict

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Well, he tried to do an international tour in the same way Obama did in 2008. It did not work well - as Obama said, it's best not to insult the USAs closest allies in the world when you visit them.

Twice.
 
You almost seem to be arguing mutual exclusivity here. And how does Sanders brief praising of the Pope for his economic issues compromise Sanders' belief in strong leftist social values? Obama, Hillary, and every liberal politician you can think of praise and meet with a lot of people far worse than the current Pope when it comes to progressive social issues.

No doubt but they don't camapign on idealogical purity.

Like this is the thing: I'm so more critical of Sanders because he's creating a litmus test for being progressive that even he doesn't live up to, and one that only he is allowed to live up to.

That and I have issues with flying away, using almost half a million in camapign funds, in the middle of a campaign, in order to praise the morality of the Pope. I would be all over Clinton for that.
 
As far as I can tell, 0% of people on either side of this discussion are actually Catholic.

It's almost starting to be offensive! Like obviously you can't be racist against us because we have so much power we literally have our own country, but we're still not, like, stupid.

I'm Catholic! Went to Catholic school my entire life, and even almost went to the seminary.

Which is probably why I think it's cool he met the Pope, and generally criticize it more in the framework that it's a terrible strategy for his campaign.
 
I looked to see if I was registered to vote (NY), and I'm not? I voted for Obama back in 08 and everything. Why am I not coming up? Am I too late to do anything? I also moved to a different part of NY recently.

If you miss a presidential election you get kicked off. So you haven't been midterm voting either.......
 

Holmes

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Pretty sure Clinton has met many heads of state and will continue to meet some as President, even the Pope probably, so I dunno what the salt is about. Other than Sanders will now say something like "I met the Pope and he said x to me" in his stump speeches now.
 

Prologue

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If you miss a presidential election you get kicked off. So you haven't been midterm voting either.......

Seriously? I wasn't aware of that. I never received any mailings or anything >.>. And why didn't either candidate see if I was updated or not? Or even the party in general.
 
Nobody really does.

It's just funny that Bernie took such a detour from his campaign at such a pivotal moment, because his team thought they could turn a meeting with the Pope into something that looked an awfully lot like an endorsement without it actually being one.

And all they got was a lousy hallway chance encounter with no photographs.

LOL - it was an attempt to make Bernie look presidential and it backfired hilariously.

It seems pretty clear at this point that the Sanders campaign (more specifically Weaver) is banking on a strategy of implying Bernie has the Pope's endorsement while stopping just short of actually saying it. That image of Francis with the Bernie logo may have been pulled off with more grace than the infamous Linda McMahon mailer, but the idea is the same. I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it. It's playing politics, and anyone who seriously thinks Bernie is above such things is naive. What's more notable is how clumsily it's done and how awkwardly timed the whole thing is, which tells me it's a desperation move more than anything else.

Also, as someone who was born and raised Catholic (though I don't really practice any more), the idea of Catholics as any sort of monolithic voting bloc is funny to me.
 
Pretty sure Clinton has met many heads of state and will continue to meet some as President, even the Pope probably, so I dunno what the salt is about. Other than Sanders will now say something like "I met the Pope and he said x to me" in his stump speeches now.

She might've even met with Pope John Paul II as many as four times when Bill was president, including during 3 papal visits to the US.

e: She definitely did at least once, during the Newark visit in 1995.

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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
I looked to see if I was registered to vote (NY), and I'm not? I voted for Obama back in 08 and everything. Why am I not coming up? Am I too late to do anything? I also moved to a different part of NY recently.

You have to update your registration when you move.
 

VRMN

Member
Seriously? I wasn't aware of that. I never received any mailings or anything >.>. And why didn't either candidate see if I was updated or not? Or even the party in general.

Infrequent voters are typically not primary voters, so the campaigns don't care that much during the primaries. They have limited resources and, honestly, I doubt either campaign thought the nomination would still be contested in April back when the deadline to register was.
 
If you miss a presidential election you get kicked off. So you haven't been midterm voting either.......
Eh, not like the Democrats need it in New York unless he's living in a swing district.

That being said you should always vote. I've probably missed a few local elections (school board and shit) but I've voted in every federal/state election since 2010. Also voted in the special election for mayor in 2011, of course that was mostly because my dad was a candidate.
 

dramatis

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I looked to see if I was registered to vote (NY), and I'm not? I voted for Obama back in 08 and everything. Why am I not coming up? Am I too late to do anything? I also moved to a different part of NY recently.
Seriously? I wasn't aware of that. I never received any mailings or anything >.>. And why didn't either candidate see if I was updated or not? Or even the party in general.
Your residence address determines the particular contests in which you are eligible to vote. Because of the role that one's address plays in the electoral system, New York State law requires voters to notify the Board of Elections within 25 days of an address change to preserve their voting rights.
Better for you now is in recent years they have been sending out election packs in the city (don't know about upstate) letting people know about the candidates and ballot initiatives and the likes. But ultimately it's your duty to vote.

Try checking if you are registered using your old zip code and county. If you can see a registration then you're still registered, it's just that you can't vote now because you didn't inform of address change.

Edit: Actually you can, but you will have to vote by provisional ballot.

Eh, not like the Democrats need it in New York unless he's living in a swing district.
They cut out a chunk of Brooklyn and grouped it with Staten Island to make a red district :(
 
Also, post earlier about how women's reproductive rights and LGBT minority rights are becoming less important to the public...

Firstly, I have to assume this just political observation and not advocacy that people stop caring so much about these issues. Because if the latter. What?
I think they meant people were more accepting of abortion and LGBT minority rights now so it has become less of a politically-divisive issue. I'm not sure I agree, but I think that was the intent.
Here's the thing though. He can stop being a stupid bigot if he wants to, but he can never stop being born in Canada, so I don't understand why lack of eligibility wouldn't be the primary concern, as that is the one thing that can't change.

And yes, I know there are eyebrows raised whenever someone says that Ted Cruz isn't eligible, but I truly believe he isn't, and I am definitely not alone in that thought process. Love Canada, hope to emigrate there one day, and much love to the Canadian people, but a Canadian does not belong in The White House.
Ted Cruz is eligible for the presidency. Please explain why you think he isn't. Ted Cruz left Canada when he was four years old; do you think he is some Canadian sleeper agent?
 
I think they meant people were more accepting of abortion and LGBT minority rights now so it has become less of a politically-divisive issue. I'm not sure I agree, but I think that was the intent.

Ted Cruz is eligible for the presidency. Please explain why you think he isn't. Ted Cruz left Canada when he was four years old; do you think he is some Canadian sleeper agent?

You're arguing with a poster who gets in flame wars over the color of Sonic's eyes.
 

royalan

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Wow

Why were Bernie supporters really protesting the George Clooney fundraiser yesterday? A lot of that money goes to down ticket candidates, not just Hillary's campaign. And for the Sanders campaign to try and counter that with a call to fundraise...for Bernie's own campaign. I'm honestly flabbergasted at the logic here.

Do they really believe a revolution can be triggered by the election of just one man?

They really don't believe that the wealthy have a moral mandate to contribute more than the $27 that may be within the means of the average person?

Do they honestly believe that we live in a cartoon world, and that every large donation is tainted with the expectation of future backroom deals?

As someone who's done a lot of work with local charity organizations here in PA, and knows how important it is for a lot of these groups to fund raise from ANYONE willing to give...I'm frankly quite disgusted right now. Yeah, elections aren't charities, but the only hope this country has for moving towards a truly progressive future is to get more Democrats in office. And Bernie Sanders is goading his supporters into pissing all over that effort.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Better for you now is in recent years they have been sending out election packs in the city (don't know about upstate) letting people know about the candidates and ballot initiatives and the likes. But ultimately it's your duty to vote.

Try checking if you are registered using your old zip code and county. If you can see a registration then you're still registered, it's just that you can't vote now because you didn't inform of address change.

Edit: Actually you can, but you will have to vote by provisional ballot.

Anyone who moved had until March 30th to update their registration, you have to get it done 20 days before an election. Could have done it online too.
 

Holmes

Member
Wow

Why were Bernie supporters really protesting the George Clooney fundraiser yesterday? A lot of that money goes to down ticket candidates, not just Hillary's campaign. And for the Sanders campaign to try and counter that with a call to fundraise...for Bernie's own campaign. I'm honestly flabbergasted at the logic here.

Do they really believe a revolution can be triggered by the election of just one man?

They really don't believe that the wealthy have a moral mandate to contribute more than the $27 that may be within the means of the average person?

Do they honestly believe that we live in a cartoon world, and that every large donation is tainted with the expectation of future backroom deals?

As someone who's done a lot of work with local charity organizations here in PA, and knows how important it is for a lot of these groups to fund raise from ANYONE willing to give...I'm frankly quite disgusted right now. Yeah, elections aren't charities, but the only hope this country has for moving towards a truly progressive future is to get more Democrats in office. And Bernie Sanders is goading his supporters into pissing all over that effort.
They hate money and got swept up in the rhetoric the Sanders camp has been spewing. They most likely are not even Democratic voters. Let them do what they want, there's always countless protests in San Francisco for every stupid thing on any given day.
 
Vote under Mickey Mouse's name for good measure, then produce a living breathing person named Mickey Mouse when called on it.

Legally have your name changed to Mickey Mouse.
 
I think they meant people were more accepting of abortion and LGBT minority rights now so it has become less of a politically-divisive issue. I'm not sure I agree, but I think that was the intent.

That'd be a hillarious statement given that abortion is more under attack now than it has been in decades

Also did anyone else see that in her arrest statement Rosario Dawson, net worth 16 millions dollars, decried the evils of the millionaires and billionaires.

I mean I think it's cool what she did there but there's something inherently funny about a millionaire pretending to be the common people.
 
Wow

Why were Bernie supporters really protesting the George Clooney fundraiser yesterday? A lot of that money goes to down ticket candidates, not just Hillary's campaign. And for the Sanders campaign to try and counter that with a call to fundraise...for Bernie's own campaign. I'm honestly flabbergasted at the logic here.

Do they really believe a revolution can be triggered by the election of just one man?

They really don't believe that the wealthy have a moral mandate to contribute more than the $27 that may be within the means of the average person?

Do they honestly believe that we live in a cartoon world, and that every large donation is tainted with the expectation of future backroom deals?

As someone who's done a lot of work with local charity organizations here in PA, and knows how important it is for a lot of these groups to fund raise from ANYONE willing to give...I'm frankly quite disgusted right now. Yeah, elections aren't charities, but the only hope this country has for moving towards a truly progressive future is to get more Democrats in office. And Bernie Sanders is goading his supporters into pissing all over that effort.
this gives Hillary and the DNC carte blanche to tos Bernie and his independent supporters under the bus after convention.

she doesn't need them, the Democratic Party doesn't need them
 
Wow

Why were Bernie supporters really protesting the George Clooney fundraiser yesterday? A lot of that money goes to down ticket candidates, not just Hillary's campaign. And for the Sanders campaign to try and counter that with a call to fundraise...for Bernie's own campaign. I'm honestly flabbergasted at the logic here.

Do they really believe a revolution can be triggered by the election of just one man?

They really don't believe that the wealthy have a moral mandate to contribute more than the $27 that may be within the means of the average person?

Do they honestly believe that we live in a cartoon world, and that every large donation is tainted with the expectation of future backroom deals?

As someone who's done a lot of work with local charity organizations here in PA, and knows how important it is for a lot of these groups to fund raise from ANYONE willing to give...I'm frankly quite disgusted right now. Yeah, elections aren't charities, but the only hope this country has for moving towards a truly progressive future is to get more Democrats in office. And Bernie Sanders is goading his supporters into pissing all over that effort.

If George Clooney, millionaire, amd his roch Hollywood friends had done a Sanders fundraiser you betcha all of a sudden his richness wouldn't matter.

Seriously though who the fuck protests a downticket Democratic fundraiser.
 
A 64-year-old woman, who said she lived a few buildings down, came out to see Clinton. She was shocked to find a protest: “All these young people like Bernie? He’s a grumpy old man. You see him in debates, and he’s so tetchy. I don’t understand.”

Many of the protesters had only moved to town recently, but several said that even in that time they had seen the city change. Mark Noviski carried a sign that read: “Let them eat $8 toast! Hillarie Clintoinette is out of touch!!!”

“A couple years ago, a restaurant serving $4 toast caused a protest about gentrification,” said the 26-year-old. “And I’ve seen that toast get more and more expensive ever since.”

Lol comparing a hard working intelligent woman to Marie Antoinette. Nope no sexism there at all.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...test-george-clooney-fundraiser-bernie-sanders
 

dramatis

Member
Anyone who moved had until March 30th to update their registration, you have to get it done 20 days before an election. Could have done it online too.
It's true, but if a voter insists they can cast a provisional ballot. Just that provisional ballots aren't counted unless it's a close election, I think?

In any case he should get his address changed anyway, so that he can vote in general election.
 
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