I can't really knock Sanders for out organizing Clinton there. It's all part of the process and she should be on top of that shit especially with Mook being her 2008 Nevada chairman.
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I can't really knock Sanders for out organizing Clinton there. It's all part of the process and she should be on top of that shit especially with Mook being her 2008 Nevada chairman.
Macho Madness
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Yep. That's the name of the game in caucuses. You snooze, you lose.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Foreign policy will always piss someone off, even if you are a strict isolationist.
The other stuff Bernie has said about foreign policy worry me, they worry me because of the massive amount of ignorance they represent and he has shown zero inkling to get a crash course on foreign policy.
VendettaRed07
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Don't forget Jimmy Carter reelected
Funny thing is, "no one" can get a crash course on FP.
Just talking about CURRENT FP in nuance, you need to have a firm understanding of political science, history, economics, geography, sociology, military science, anthropology, philosophy, law, technology, and psychology if they are able to craft and enact successful policy.
And_Gignac
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Sanders stans celebrating Nevada kind of grosses me out. I mean, sure, it is not Bernie's fault that Clinton's camp in Nevada is a total mess, but pretending he has retroactively won there is dumb.
And Bernie is taking New York by 5 points.
And Bernie is taking New York by 5 points.
Macho Madness
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Jesus I was right. YouGov polled independents in their New York Poll
Among Democrats, it's:
Clinton 57
Sanders 39
Among Democrats, it's:
Clinton 57
Sanders 39
He doesn't even know why it's a bad idea to try to pair up Sunnis and Shiite governments together.
Nuance? HA, we are not even at general common knowledge.
Macho Madness
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I haven't seen much gloating tbh. I've seen some people happy about it but in a reluctant way. "Yeah I'm happy for the extra delegates but it still feels a little wrong."
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
That's my number one issue with Sanders, he has virtually no nuance. Since politics is an operation in compromise, nuance is king.
This does not mean you need to compromise on everything; but unless you have a vast majority in government, you will need to least do some compromising to get stuff done. Sometimes getting nothing done is better. Foreign policy is not immune to it, and it's what diplomacy is.
edit: To add to that, I think nuance is more effective and getting someone opposed to your idea to listen, and perhaps convience them.
huahua
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Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
Oh wow... that's a pretty big mistake.
Officerrob
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Ridiculous, but it will be all Morning Joe talks about tomorrow
It's a good thing Bernie isn't.
Less interventionism in the Middle East isn't isolationist policy. As long as we continue to have our vast network of alliances and military bases, which Bernie has made no mention of dismantling, then we're not taking an isolationist stance.
I mean seriously, do people know what actual US isolationism looked like in the early 20th century? It sure as fuck didn't involve being in treaty-bound defense commitments in all corners of the world.
For contrast, far left politicians in Europe propose dismantling NATO altogether.
Macho Madness
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Yeah but the poll was taken this past week. Past the deadline. If you know you're registered as a Democrat, why would you say "I'm an independent" when asked?
The Technomancer
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I'm not going to post a thread about this after how the last one went but...are we ever going to be able to talk frankly about Charlie Hebdo?
Unless I'm being made a fool of and this too is "satire" and I'm just too dense to get its subtly subversive message
https://charliehebdo.fr/en/edito/how-did-we-end-up-here/
Cause to me this reads as cultural fear mongering, straight up. What's the source of the problem? That people are allowed to run halal bakeries, apparently
Unless I'm being made a fool of and this too is "satire" and I'm just too dense to get its subtly subversive message
https://charliehebdo.fr/en/edito/how-did-we-end-up-here/
Cause to me this reads as cultural fear mongering, straight up. What's the source of the problem? That people are allowed to run halal bakeries, apparently
excelsiorlef
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Only brand new ones.
I'm sure the polls will tighten in NY, but it is important to remember (as others have pointed out) that Sanders needs a minimum 10% win to be on track just to match Clinton in pledged delegates. Besides, if there is any state that will benefit from Clinton's amazing ground game, it will be NY and her campaign absolutely knows they symbolically need to win there. It will put into overdrive to make sure it happens.
Outdoor Miner
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I still think she takes NY by 20.
Macho Madness
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I mean don't take the just Democrats thing as gospel. There are self-identified independents who are registered Democrats or Republicans so they can vote in the primary.
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The only age group that thinks there should be more debates is 18-29. LOLOLOL.
CNN is interviewing Charles Barkley about the election because reasons.
CNN is interviewing Charles Barkley about the election because reasons.
SenorArdilla
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Kasich is hanging in there until the end.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It's certainly an option to move away from being an influential international power. But keep in mind it might actually be a tougher sell than single payer healthcare to the national population.
I still personally sit somewhere in the middle on that spectrum. The US should get involved in agreement with most of the world, and part of it should be financed through war bonds and tax increases. Faux world support like with Iraq is not acceptable.
That's fine. It just helps the expectations game.
Even though he is the sane option and will certainly be the most lethal in the GE, it boggles my mind that he's so transparent about his method for becoming the nominee. Does the GOP even realize how big a PR shitstorm they'll be in if Kasich, a man who currently has less pledged delegates than Rubio and significantly less votes than Trump and Cruz, ends up jumping over the will of the voters?
Matt Dowd hit the nail on the head on This Week saying that this will be the first contested convention: A) in the era of mass media and the internet and B) in which the party has allowed the public to vote for the nominee. Those two elements will undermine any dark horse nominee that emerges by providing the media and the democrats with the narrative of "GOP usurp the will of the votes/GOP is undemocratic" for weeks after the convention. Ignoring all of the disenfranchised Trump and Cruz voters who will feel betrayed, Kasich would be facing such a terrible GE narrative for much of the fall that it would turn off independent voters in droves. It is a terrible choice.
The GOP are in such a terrible situation right now. Either nominate Trump or Cruz and alienate establishment GOP voters/independents or nominate Kasich/Ryan/Romney and alienate core conservative voters. They need both to come out in droves to win and can't afford any defections. Whatever they do, a large segment of the party will be unhappy.
That's what I'm saying. Independents who registered as Dems two weeks ago probably won't call themselves Dems; however, there could be too many of them in a closed primary poll.
Obama's stance on the NSA is one I've been disappointed with, so I share your concerns here. I'm not sure Bernie could shut it down though, given the party's stance lines up with Obama's.
Not sure if we can prove that NSA intelligence has or hasn't played a part in preventing terrorism.
I think Bernie is much more isolationist than Obama (he wants to kill free trade agreements!), and considering that Clinton served under Obama's administration as Secretary of State, I'd say she literally is his foreign policy (for half his administration). I don't think she'll pass any cuts we wouldn't have seen from Obama, and hopefully we retake the Senate majority so there won't be as much pressure to appeal to the Republicans.
I don't think you're missing anything, I think they just typically print total bigoted garbage.
This is the most "How Do You Do, Fellow Kids?" thing ever
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/john-kasich-republican-convention-221510
That interview was so cringeworthy. He really is Mitt Romney 3.0 (with Jeb! being 2.0). He tries to be folksy and off the cuff and it just comes off as being awkward and weird. Oh boy man jeez wow let me tell you heh, George, this is nuts.
Macho Madness
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The kids are so into Britney Spears today
RustyNails
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Oh wow, the war on islamophobes is out of control.
You think Khaleesi will take WI?
Nah... Bernie is going to win and then Facebook will blow up. Again.
Macho Madness
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That's
Bams correctly predicted the SC blowout. Let me have my fun and my accolades on Tuesday.
Macho Madness
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Who's bams?
That's
Lmao, talk about a redundant title.
Neo, what makes you think she'll take WI? Demographics and polls seem to favor Sanders pretty firmly.
Something I didn't see discussed about Trump's abortion fumbling is that when he started talking about what banning abortion would look like he went straight to talking about a pre-Roe state where there were still abortions but they were just done illegally (and unsafely). This is really weird! Obviously Trump's not the most sincere pro-lifer but this comes across as him having no idea how pro-lifers think. He's substituting a pro-choice caricature of pro-life ideology - "they want to go back to back-alley abortions!" - for the ideology itself. This is not how any pro-lifer would describe what they're trying to accomplish.
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