Good luck getting an amendment to the Constitution through Congress.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT5| Archdemon Hillary Clinton vs. Lice Traffic Jam
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plagiarize
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There is, it's just not a big movement. And put it this way, it's often not in the interest of the people in power to switch to this system.
I first heard about this idea years ago as an alternative to the first past the post system in the UK. I personally like it, but first I'd rather see one person one vote, or at the very least, a fair amount of electoral college votes per capita, and proportional allocation there of.
I doubt it happens any time soon though. Since it's incredibly rare for someone to win with less than half of the popular vote, there isn't a big push for it right now, and since it's more likely to hurt Republicans than democrats at the moment too... well you can guess why such ideas aren't going anywhere currently.
Basically this. Would be impossible to pass without bipartisan agreement, and if the Dems proposed it the Republicans would oppose it on principle if nothing else.
User 463088
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A bunch of people in 2000 could barely punch a ballot for one person correctly. This would be a logistical nightmare for most people. We're such a binary, two party country, I'm 99% sure nothing would really change. You'd have to overhaul our entire election system and get rid of the Electoral College for this to have any chance whatsoever of making a difference.
ThLunarian
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That's because people are afraid of a boogeyman candidate, so they just vote for the one with the best chance of beating him, instead of their first choice. The whole point of this is that it eliminates the problem of votes being wasted on 3rd party candidates.
That's why it's not actually being implemented. But why isn't there more noise about it? Why aren't the 3rd parties trying to apply pressure? I've never even heard of this until my friend introduced me to it this morning.
User 463088
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Because 3rd parties have no power, real or imagined, in our process? I doubt 99% of people could even name the Green or Libertarian candidate for President. After 2000, there was also backlash against spoilers like Nader. Most people are probably happy enough with the system we've already had.
Because none of the third parties are important enough to matter. We only got a referendum on it in the UK after we had a coalition government, and then it got rejected. That's another problem: it turns out it's really easy to get people to dislike it, I think 75% voted against it here.
I don't know about what ever evil hell hole of a house you live in but in mine we have a shine to Gary Johnson and pray to him for guidance ever night.
One day I hope that we all have the same hair as lord Johnson.
I don't know about what ever evil hell hole of a house you live in but in mine we have a shine to Gary Johnson and pray to him for guidance ever night.
One day I hope that we all have the same hair as lord Johnson.
Just put some poo on your head
User 463088
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I don't know about what ever evil hell hole of a house you live in but in mine we have a shine to Gary Johnson and pray to him for guidance ever night.
One day I hope that we all have the same hair as lord Johnson.
IDK why, but I read "Lord Johnson" as meaning this guy
And then I threw up a little in my mouth pretending that anyone would want his hair.
I need to go back to bed.
IDK why, but I read "Lord Johnson" as meaning this guy
And then I threw up a little in my mouth pretending that anyone would want his hair.
I need to go back to bed.
Our next prime minister right there folks.
Any chance I can marry you for a green card Adam?
Why are people engaging lednerg again when his posts amount to "you're an idiot for liking Hillary"
Pressure is money, pressure is power, pressure is influence. Third parties have none of these.
Pressure is money, pressure is power, pressure is influence. Third parties have none of these.
User 463088
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Our next prime minister right there folks.
Any chance I can marry you for a green card Adam?
YES!!!!!!
Although...I kinda want to spend a week in the world in which Trump is President and Boris is PM...and the hair. OH GOD THE HAIR. they'd talk to each other, and no one would have any fucking clue what any of it meant. I think Ian Hislop would explode....and, oh, god Russell Howard. I need that for like a week.....but then I get to come back to the best reality.
benjipwns
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I don't think you need a Constitutional Amendment for STV or likewise. Look at how New York lets candidates combine their votes from multiple ballot lines. Do that in another state and you lose your votes.
States also have leeway in how their EVs are allocated. And how ballot access is done.
States allowed women and freeman voting before the Amendments.
Or look at California's new primary system, where everyone is on the ballot and the top two advance regardless of party.
States have a lot of free reign to set voting rules. As we've also seen negatively.
So on and so forth.
Don't confuse this for me knowing whether or not you could, but like the EV popular vote compact, I don't think it necessarily violates the Constitution since states have so much power on voting.
South Carolina didn't allow voters to choose their EVs until 1900 or 1912 or something like that. The legislature stayed doing it. This was while other Southern states were even letting blacks vote for President, even if with some difficulty. SC didn't allow anybody who wasn't a state legislator.
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States also have leeway in how their EVs are allocated. And how ballot access is done.
States allowed women and freeman voting before the Amendments.
Or look at California's new primary system, where everyone is on the ballot and the top two advance regardless of party.
States have a lot of free reign to set voting rules. As we've also seen negatively.
So on and so forth.
Don't confuse this for me knowing whether or not you could, but like the EV popular vote compact, I don't think it necessarily violates the Constitution since states have so much power on voting.
South Carolina didn't allow voters to choose their EVs until 1900 or 1912 or something like that. The legislature stayed doing it. This was while other Southern states were even letting blacks vote for President, even if with some difficulty. SC didn't allow anybody who wasn't a state legislator.
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Since there are no real independents, I think your premise is false.
Yeah, shut the fuck up right there.
You're not exactly making a coherent argument here.
benjipwns
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Oh yeah buddy?
Since cancelled to give Kennedy her own far less interesting show without the two dudes.
They even had that guy on who wrote that piece a couple years ago about how Communism was great and that all of history was lies and it just needed to be slightly better for a regular segment. Fun times.
They even had that guy on who wrote that piece a couple years ago about how Communism was great and that all of history was lies and it just needed to be slightly better for a regular segment. Fun times.
Also they read abusive comments on the air.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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As soon as independents are brought up as fence sitters who could go either way based on some interpretation of the latest headlines, I tune out.
benjipwns
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Ask A Communist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ-guyyDBq0
They tag team John Bolton and survive his mustache: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LSAwWj0Aog
They tag team John Bolton and survive his mustache: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LSAwWj0Aog
Initially read that as face sitters
Why haven't the candidates expressed their views on face sitting! I need to know that our face sitting rights in the US are secure!
You are old.
GutsOfThor
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Anyone else think that Hillary doesn't really need to attack trump all that much? Trumps worst enemy is his own mouth.
TheLostBigBoss
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rofl
True, but it's still better to define him early than let him do it himself.
User 463088
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It's actually a pretty good strategy, especially since he can't let anything go. She just needs to find something that gets under his skin enough that he won't STFU about it. Then twist that over and over until he explodes. He's just cray-cray.
Dubbedinenglish
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Trump's biggest liability is he can't back down. Keep making him say stupid shit.
Retromelon
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RustyNails
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Bernie Bus is in California and I think they're the ones protesting Hillary in LA yesterday and going to show up in San Francisco today.
It's over you guys. Let it go.
http://californiahealthline.org/morning-breakout/nurses-riding-into-california-on-the-bernie-bus/
It's over you guys. Let it go.
http://californiahealthline.org/morning-breakout/nurses-riding-into-california-on-the-bernie-bus/
TheLostBigBoss
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Hillary can easily say something that will send trump over th3 edge and go crazy. Trump seems like an easy target to rope a dope
What, do you think we are prudes like the Brits?
GutsOfThor
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Good points. I saw a post on my Facebook from a Hillary supporter who said that she shouldn't attack trump and instead let him show how crazy he is himself. I agree with that but at the same time she can't just ignore the attacks right?
I have flashbacks to the whole swift boat attacks on Kerry in 2004 and how he ignored them which hurt him.
I have flashbacks to the whole swift boat attacks on Kerry in 2004 and how he ignored them which hurt him.
Captain Pants
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I think she needs to stay clean, calm and presidential while various attack dogs and PACs tear down Trump. Remaining above the fray will be a good contrast.
User 463088
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Her campaign just needs to give him the rope. He'll hang himself. Trust.
Dubbedinenglish
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Yup. I think we saw some of that with Sanders in NY with the unqualified stuff. She got Sanders to overreact with a benign statement and had him doubling back for a week.
hammysaurusrex
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Question for history folks: Is this the first time where both parties have had prominent populist candidates in the same election? (Though as more time passes it's becoming harder to call Sanders prominent.)
User 463088
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If I was going after Trump, I would focus 99% of my time on his business dealings. Make the insinuation that he's not a good businessman. That's where you hit him. He loses his shit over that. Bring up the bankruptcy shit. I'm pretty sure Trump is in on the joke that is "Trump." His pride is his business acumen. Hit that. Hard.
Veritigo_X
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I think subtle insults about his hands are the way to go. That really got under his skin.
I love the attack dog strategy, especially since she'll have Obama, Biden, etc playing parts of those roles. If Trump has incoming fire from all sorts of directions, it'll be fun to see how he tries to keep-up. He won't be able to help himself as far as message discipline goes, while her hands get to stay clean. She can stick to appearances that suit her campaign style, say safe adulty things in response to his antics, and let her really talented henchmen do much of the heavy lifting.
She benefitted generously from comparison with the GOP clowns during/after her hearing in October, and I tend to think she can work the same dynamic here. Given that she's often painted as a mustache-twirling cartoon villain, she'll benefit from low expectations as well.
User 463088
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We need a steady, normal sized hand in charge of the nation's future. Not a man with small hands and small ideas. We need someone with big hands. Big ideas. We need a Queen.
Macho Madness
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ThinkProgress made a good point this morning.
Hillary Clinton is the most religious candidate left in the race.
That feels weird.
Hillary Clinton is the most religious candidate left in the race.
That feels weird.
Veritigo_X
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That's kinda what she was implying with this tweet the other day:
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/726938033493299200
You just have to read between the lines.
Fenderputty
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They were briefly on local news here. Which was kinda funny since they channel I was listening too said Bernie is mathematically eliminated. lol
They had signs like they were republicans. Benghazi crap among others. Can't wait until he's forgotten like a fart in the wind.
User 463088
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I half expect Trump to randomly tweet a picture of his junk just to "put this line of attack to rest." Hehehehehe. Ew.....hehehehehe.
I truly believe Bernie will pivot at the convention and help Hillary during the General as well. He just wants to ensure the DNC recognizeshis liberal ideals.
Plus it's pretty cool to retire near the top of your party, 40+% of the vote and giving Hillary a fairly tight race is respectable for an old Democratic Socialist Independent.
BotoxAgent
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Hillary should stick to policy and keep a positive message. And let Obama, Bill and Diamond Joe do the dirty work
SeaManky had postulated the best attack ad on this, a Daisy style ad with a child singing "he's got the whole world in his hands". Don't have the link now, it was a few threads back.
This ad needs to be made.
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