shinra-bansho
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The VP pick isn't ultimately going to swing anything for the most part.
Succession planning.
Succession planning.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT5| Archdemon Hillary Clinton vs. Lice Traffic Jam
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Cesare Borgia
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Warren offers nothing to the ticket and would be a terrible selection. I'd agree with with Palin comparison in the sense that if you're losing and your only hope to win is to maximize your base...sure, maybe picking her works. But as the electoral map stands Hillary will not need help with democrat turnout.
IMO it's going to be Tim Kaine or Mark Warner. Kaine is the superior pick. Former governor, actually has a personality unlike Warner, speaks Spanish, relatively young, likable, Obama ally, etc.
IMO it's going to be Tim Kaine or Mark Warner. Kaine is the superior pick. Former governor, actually has a personality unlike Warner, speaks Spanish, relatively young, likable, Obama ally, etc.
VendettaRed07
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Vendetta's wants in order.
1)Warren
2) Howard Dean
3) Al Franken
4) Tom Perez
5) Biden Third Term
what we'll get.
Tim Kaine.
Which is fine. But ehhhh.. not too exciting.
1)Warren
2) Howard Dean
3) Al Franken
4) Tom Perez
5) Biden Third Term
what we'll get.
Tim Kaine.
Which is fine. But ehhhh.. not too exciting.
VendettaRed07
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Except we know that the "VP will help me win a state" pick is bupkus
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytime...verrated-vice-presidential-home-state-effect/
Picking a poor VP to try to win a state has been, and still is, mostly a giant waste of time.
In a Trump or Cruz v Clinton race - the VP is getting almost no one to vote for a candidate. This race is polarized. People are going to have to choose their sides.
You mean like Biden in 2016?
EDIT: Also, outside of Perez, what succession planning? Castro's the Democrat Marco Rubio. He would get destroyed if even slightly held up to the fire.
Chezzymann
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Is there a limit to how long you can be VP
Like why can't biden just be it again
Like why can't biden just be it again
shinra-bansho
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Obama as a relatively green Senator with little foreign policy experience needed someone like Biden.
No one needs Elizabeth Forma as VP, the once and future progressive.
No one needs Elizabeth Forma as VP, the once and future progressive.
Is this really vital? I'm coming around to believing shoehorning a nominee yields a less competitive nominee in the fall. The uncompetitive invisible primary this time around was really disheartening for primary morale.
Pretty much. In the case of Hillary she should be thinking about a rising star who can run in 4-8 years. Obama needed someone with experience in areas he lacked it, hence Biden. Hillary doesn't have that problem.
Hillary Clinton was a different beast altogether. Pretty much the only one capable of actually challenging her was Biden and he sat it out.
RustyNails
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Perez is the obvious VP pick. Harmless to the ticket, smart, articulate, and can speak Spanish unlike that Castro fraud. Having someone of Hispanic origin on the ticket while Trump bloviates is just too good of a political set up. I don't know if he is presidential material enough to warm the bench down the road, but everything I've heard is positives. Also relatively young (54).
Mrs. Manky
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I'm drinking, but how about...Nina Turner?
She's currently not in office. She has progressive bonafides, obviously. She's not ancient. She's black.
dude she has been campaigning for sanders
I literally just saw her like a week ago at the nyc rally. she is bae, btw
Butts-a-plenty
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This
It's about bringing someone up to be a future leader of the party
Young, progressive, female, PoC or Hispanic. Hispanics are going to become a huge % of the population as time continues to pass so it might make sense to try to get a strong party leader
Plus she has no real experience. She was a state senator and that was it, that's nothing. The only reason she's a thing is that she stumped for Bernie and his fans elevated her profile. She'd be the worst pick, bar none.
shinra-bansho
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What about Tulsi Gabbard?
#wherestulsi
#wherestulsi
Not sure how prominent this line of thinking is, but it I'm reading a lot of comments in articles that involve her where Bernie supporters are almost on the verge of dropping her simply because she hasn't endorsed Bernie yet.
I love the idea of a Warren VP but I'm wondering where loyalties will sway - will they think she sold out or will they truly support her should she be chosen? I think that by the time it matters, they'd unite for the General but with this kind of vitriol I'm seeing, I don't know how you go back from that.
She's been pretty negative on Hillary during the primaries, though that could end up water under the bridge but idk. You might want someone who there's no animosity between as your VP
She already a republican tho
RustyNails
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Oh Tulsi's done. She spurned Debbie and broke off the chains of DNC. She's in Bernie's wagon and it's going to be surrounded soon.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Is Maria Cantwell charismatic enough and clean enough to be a future presidential candidate?
This. She won't win back the Bernie voters who would be unwilling to vote for Hillary. Those guys have already thrown her under the bus. Trying to win the Bernie or Bust crowd is a mistake and can't be done because they don't really care, they just got swept up in the cult of personality.
Plus she's horrible.
Joe Scarborough.
shinra-bansho
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YASS PRINCESSSS.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Azealia Banks is trying (on Twitter) to explain to DeRay (who is gay) that "faggot" isn't a word that is offensive to gay people while yelling at DeRay.
I seriously don't get why people try and make Nina Turner a thing. She was a state senator who got her ass kicked when she tried running for state-wide office. The only reason people talk about her is that she's one of the few people who endorsed Bernie.
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Macho Madness
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Oh my god Kev's avatar
Nah - he ended up grabbing Clinton as SoS and calling it good. :-D
Personally I'm a fan of Tom Perez; but since we're talking about female VP picks, I think out of the options, and with assuming Trump or Cruz facing Clinton (and thus a race to the middle not particularly happening) - Warren might be the best option. Bring out the base when you have the demographic advantages. Voter turnout is a card that the Dems have the advantage on.
If Sanders can motivate his base to come out for Clinton outside of a VP pick; then you go elsewhere. I don't know if Gillebrand works; she might fall afoul of the "VP can't be from same state as President" rule. (Not sure where Clinton has her legal residence now a days).
I don't see many up and coming Dems, tbh. Worried about Castro being Rubio 2.0, and Booker being Christie 2.0 (see Newark, craptons of corruption)
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Clinton's still based in NY (I think) otherwise I could see her picking Gillibrand or Cuomo.
Macho Madness
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eBay Huckster
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Someone like, say, Tom Perez. Or Tim Kaine.
Or Xavier Becerra. Who has all the pluses of Castro, none of the minuses, and CA-34 is about as safe a seat as possible.
e: Holmes, you're my fave.
shinra-bansho
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She voted in New York. So I bet it's not her legal residence. Hillary4Prison.
Castro is a shit pick.
Warren remains a shit pick.
Also, I was reading the Economist today.
I'd build his wall. Or some other innuendo that actually makes sense.
Castro is a shit pick.
Warren remains a shit pick.
Also, I was reading the Economist today.
I'd build his wall. Or some other innuendo that actually makes sense.
White men are generally assholes, I say this as a white dude.
Yes white people continue to do America proud!
Macho Madness
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Entitled babies that feel like the world is being stolen from them
Mrs. Manky
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Not even the Lovely Elizabeth?
Macho Madness
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White people like Guy Fieri just in case you were thinking of listening to them
The state establishment nominated Martha Coakley. Twice. Same lady that sent Scott Brown to the Senate in Ted Fucking Kennedys seat.
A combination of the party trying to push through a hack loyalist who's "time it was" and it happening during low turnout special and midterm elections.
I'd vote either Bernie or Hillary, and I couldn't vote for Coakley. Shes a pretty aloof politician and honestly Baker was easily more qualified than she was.
The state party, surprisingly, doesn't have a deep bench. They rely on their Union and local machine support.
'Party morale' I meant.
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