Aaron Strife
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It's an olive branch to Sanders supporters.
Really it covers her biggest weakness imo. It's not like Obama needing to pick someone who has experience.
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Really it covers her biggest weakness imo. It's not like Obama needing to pick someone who has experience.
User 463088
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The far left wing of the party. She easily gets a huge chunk of Bernie supporters onto her team without having to do a lot of leg work. It's an easy path to unifying the party.
She's very popular among Bernie supporters, so the Dems feel that they need to reign in that group she'd be a good pick.
She's also proven to get under Trump's skin easily, and having two women on the ticket is almost a guarantee that he'll go further down the sexism rabbit hole and alienate even more female voters.
I still think Kaine. Virginia wins the election plain and simple. Plus a Dem Gov to replace him.
Tarkus
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I had a genuine belly laugh at this. Thanks!Souldriver with the receipts of him being non-problematic
Thagomizer
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Finally got my mug!
Surprisingly solid and sturdy, though I doubt these decals are going to last very long...
Surprisingly solid and sturdy, though I doubt these decals are going to last very long...
User 463088
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Hmm, I was trying to find the next PoliGAF thread after that one, does anyone have a link? The next one I can find is this one from the end of September, 2008, so there's a gap of a few months.
Scared the shit out of me when i didn't see red in the name
jack_package_200
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https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/738793828396720128
But how much retroactive momentum do Montana and the Dakotas have?
But how much retroactive momentum do Montana and the Dakotas have?
User 463088
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But, don't forget about how FRAUD! and CORRUPTION! and ESTABLISHMENT! will impact the race!!1one
Joe Biden welcoming people to the Copa America. Yaaassss Biden. WERK.
JesseEwiak
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#InPerezWeTrust
(Was going to go #PerezOrWeRiot, but not the best timing for that one.)
Souldriver
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Souldriver with the receipts of him being non-problematic
Haha, thanks
I do remember 8 years ago Hillary being my preferred candidate at first, but then Obama (someone I didn't know) swooped in, and took over with his charisma and character you simply couldn't dislike, and most importantly a platform that's just as competent as Hillary's. So in the end I just realized both were okay for me. And I'm very glad Obama became President.
At the beginning of this primary season, I was kind of in the same place as 8 years ago. Hillary is my preferred candidate, but Bernie would do just fine and it wouldn't hurt the democrats to listen to the more left-wing fraction of the party. However, as the primary has dragged on, I've become more opinionated. Bernies campaign doesn't simply show the signs of desparation a losing camp does, which I can excuse. Bernie himself has these past few months shown that, to me personally, he doesn't seem fit to be President. His platform is just to simplistic, he doesn't seem knowledgeable in subjects a potential candidate should be, and the way he oversees and manages his campaign (with all the denial of math and laiser-faire of his problematic supporters), I have seriously soured on him. Never in 2008, even when Hillary's campaign was going down in flames, I got the idea Hillary herself was a problematic candidate.
I realize, that if or when Bernie ends up giving a concession speech and a substantive endorsement of Hillary, a lot of bad blood will be washed away. But I can't help but feel that we dodged a bullet with him not getting the nomination.
I understand the WERK and the QUEEN but how does the FUCK fit in?
I swear half the replies could have come from this thread
User 463088
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You always make room for the fuck. Just...because.
The fuck came about because every time someone diablosed, one of us would respond with FUCK. So it became WERK FUCK QUEEN YASSS!
Went to see what you were talking about
Remember that goobergaters have all rallied under "anti-SJW" Don, and if there was ever a hole more infested with those rats than Reddit I haven't seen one.
I have been stanning this queen for over 8 years and I get to slam the door shut on this horrible moth muppet Sanders on Tuesday. I am so excited.
I found the next 2008 PoliGAF thread, in case anyone was interested (it was in the Forum Archive, a section I forgot about).
PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)
PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)
User 463088
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You're excited? Tuesday is my magical, special beautiful day. Do you know what Tuesday means to me? My queeeennnnn....
Cesare Borgia
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The majority of Bernie supporters are going to vote for Hillary regardless. The holdouts are not worth pursuing, much less naming a VP for.
Anyone who attacks Trump consistently gets under his skin. Jeb Bush got under his skin, Marco Rubio got under his skin, etc; I don't want them as VP either.
In terms of the woman thing, I don't think a two female ticket is a good idea for this election. Hillary has the female vote locked and here mere presence at the top of the ticket ensures at least two republican officials will say something incredibly ignorant about women/commander in chief/etc before November. I'd rather the VP be someone who reinforces the ticket's argument that Trump is unqualified to be president; Warren and her limited experience doesn't do that. I want to draw a contrast where both Clinton and her VP have unquestioned credentials and experience. And while it may sound a bit crass, I like the idea of the democrat ticket having the only credible, competent, sane white man on either ticket. I may be off base but I think that would make Trump look even worse.
Tim Kaine meets all the criteria I'd want. Unfortunately the VA governor's FBI trouble could keep Kaine off the ticket.
I don't see anything coming from it honestly.
Oh wow. That's a fun thread to read 8 years later.
Oh Y2Kev, you thought Hillaryis44 would go away.
I'm afraid to see what they are up to now. Are they full on Trump supporters now?
User 463088
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Tim Kaine is not an exciting pick. He's an older white man. It's a big nothing pick, in my opinion. He doesn't help with any demographic weakness she has. Warren does that. Perez does that, although I think they have to spend time defining him for the liberal side of the party.
I'm also not of the mindset that a Veep is uber useful in delivering a state to you. She'll win or lose based on demographics, not Veep selection.
I'm also not of the mindset that a Veep is uber useful in delivering a state to you. She'll win or lose based on demographics, not Veep selection.
bodyofanamerican
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I still say Tom Perez!
Not just two women but two old white northeastern women. I don't think Clinton/Warren will happen.
If I had to bet, that's probably where my money would be. She has a few good picks though, not really a clear cut choice.
He helps with Virginia. He's qualified. Joe Biden was also once an older white man pick as well.
I understand why Kaine is popular but boy does he come off as a boring choice. Warren or Perez would be much more enticing.
User 463088
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I still think Warren's a good choice, but I'm also a fan of Perez, Becerra, or Klobuchar before Kaine. I have nothing against the guy, but I just think he's a relatively safe and boring pick.
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User 463088
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Biden was picked to appeal to WWC voters and to shore up Obama's weakness of foreign policy. He was selected to balance out weaknesses Obama had.
I believe Hillary's weaknesses are based on ideology not demographics. She's fine with AA voters, fine with Latino voters, fine with women, fine with LGBT voters. Where I think she's weakest is with the far left. Tacking towards the center isn't going to help her that much, especially when Trump is her opponent.
Warren or Perez are my first choices for that reason. Perez requires a bit more work, in that you have to sell him to that wing of the party. Warren comes in with credentials in tack. I like Becerra for demographic and ideological reasons.
I'm also not sold on the idea that a VP really helps that much. I think 538 said it was, at most, a 2-3 point swing that was more prominent in smaller states than in bigger states. If the trade off is 2-3 points in Virginia with Kaine, but Warren/Perez gives us 2-3 points overall? I take the second any day.
Outside of Virginia, Kaine really has no national presence. Warren does, definitely.
She doesn't need to no, but Virginia is a place that the Dems should strive to keep improving in because it offers a firewall against shifting demographics elsewhere.
Is Bernie part of Gay-GAF? What's his username
I'd say he's still my top pick, because he could be a future party leader.
Bernie just gave a reaction to the San Jose violence:
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/738900282440962048
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/738900282440962048
I think that these straight white men need to change the people they want to have a beer with
I'd have a beer with Elizabeth Warren any day
User 463088
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Bernie just gave a reaction to the San Jose violence:
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/738900282440962048
Good answer.
Poodlestrike
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Tim Kaine gets her Virginia, and therefore a near-guaranteed win. He's also someone a bit more conventional, which could help appeal to people put out by Clinton and Trump alike.
Credit where credit is due, that's a MUCH better answer. If he'd have given that kind of answer about Nevada he wouldn't have taken the beating he did.
Bernie just gave a reaction to the San Jose violence:
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/738900282440962048
Credit where credit is due, that's a MUCH better answer. If he'd have given that kind of answer about Nevada he wouldn't have taken the beating he did.
User 463088
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I would argue that him being so conventional is more of a problem this year. He's a former DNC Chair. He's totally establishment. Someone slightly outside the DNC Establishment would, I think be a good play.
Virginia is all that matters...
excelsiorlef
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Bernie just gave a reaction to the San Jose violence:
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/738900282440962048
Unless it's against the corrupt DNC then you just have to understand that my supporters are passionate.
Good answer but easy to condemn when he gets nothing out of the violence.
User 463088
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You do not build a campaign around winning one state. That's a terrible strategy, in my opinion. (See Kerry in Ohio a la 2004). If the choice is a candidate that moves the needle 2-3 points in a single state or a candidate who moves the needle 2-3 points across the board? I'd go with that second choice every day. I'm sure they're focus testing and polling the hell out of several people.
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