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[kess]

So university fees are going to go down and the NHS is going to be great again, right?

 

[pigeon]

Who cares! UK market will continue freaking out, EU member states will panic, and as the threat of catastrophic EU breakup approaches, UK will just fashion a special free trade relationship with the EU, preserving all the market goodness but making immigration and regulation completely under the domain of the UK. Done.

Why would the EU do this? The best way to control the member states who want to leave is to make leaving incredibly unpleasant for the UK.

 

[sphagnum]

Really surprising that nationalism, xenophobia, and fascism are on the upswing in a Europe without a socialist internationalist counterweight. Couldn't have predicted that one.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Never mind, it was the anti-human rights stuff in China Kris supported/was okay with.

Thank you! #CorrectTheRecord

Why would the EU do this? The best way to control the member states who want to leave is to make leaving incredibly unpleasant for the UK.

No, that's the threat to get them to not do it. But the UK has done it and they're the most important member. So, uh, now is the time to make concessions and cry.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Really surprising that nationalism, xenophobia, and fascism are on the upswing in a Europe without a socialist internationalist counterweight. Couldn't have predicted that one.

Spain seems likely to counter the trend a bit. Some maybe good news :/

 

[teiresias]

I wonder if Cameron realizes he's going down in history books as a failed moron of a politician.

 

[Suikoguy]

I wonder if Cameron realizes he's going down in history books as a failed moron of a politician.

It's not been a good couple of years for him has it? lmao

 

[Subtle]

I guess no one in the UK saw the John Oliver video about this?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed10.asp

I guess no one in the UK saw the John Oliver video about this?

i believe it was literally censured

 

[sphagnum]

Spain seems likely to counter the trend a bit. Some maybe good news :/

I really wish SYRIZA hadn't turned out to be a bunch of pushovers. There's no good solution in Greece but maybe if they had actually acted like leftists they could've been a good inspiration for other movements.

 

[kess]

I wonder if Cameron realizes he's going down in history books as a failed moron of a politician.

He's getting that phone call from Obama he always wanted

 

[sphagnum]

Cameron might as well actually go fuck a pig on camera at this point. It's more respectable than this.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Really surprising that nationalism, xenophobia, and fascism are on the upswing in a Europe without a socialist internationalist counterweight. Couldn't have predicted that one.

Really? I think it's pretty predictable.

Migrant crisis puts a spotlight on areas that far-right movements specialize in, while far-left movements are left out in the cold, without much of anything to rally around. Financial crisis could've been it, but the right spun that one far more effectively. And then Ukraine...

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Corbyn is, uhh, message focused.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/leaked-labours-script-responding-terrible-referendum-result/

 

[Subtle]

Really? I think it's pretty predictable.

Migrant crisis puts a spotlight on areas that far-right movements specialize in, while far-left movements are left out in the cold, without much of anything to rally around.

So complacency is the devil? I'm just trying to figure out how this can be applied to other countries. I'd hate for the leftward movement of the US to be stifled by a similar far-right movement.

 

[sphagnum]

Really? I think it's pretty predictable.

Migrant crisis puts a spotlight on areas that far-right movements specialize in, while far-left movements are left out in the cold, without much of anything to rally around. Financial crisis could've been it, but the right spun that one far more effectively. And then Ukraine...

I was being sarcastic.

 

[Poodlestrike]

So complacency is the devil? I'm just trying to figure out how this can be applied to other countries. I'd hate for the leftward movement of the US to be stifled by a similar far-right movement.

Complacency is always the devil, tbh.

Trump acting as an existential threat to a number of communities in the US precludes a repeat over here in November, I feel. Europe is in for some rough shit, though.

I was being sarcastic.

Oh.

I did not pick up on that at all, lol.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Corbyn is, uhh, message focused.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/leaked-labours-script-responding-terrible-referendum-result/

Labour is a fucking omnishambles

 

[Holmes]

Still loving the Brits in the Brexit threads trying to deflect away from this fuck up with "BUT TRUMP!"

 

[pigeon]

Thank you! #CorrectTheRecord

No, that's the threat to get them to not do it. But the UK has done it and they're the most important member. So, uh, now is the time to make concessions and cry.

The UK is by no means the most important member of the EU. And once the banks leave they'll be even less important.

I don't think this will happen at all. Like I said, the U.K. is Ireland with a bunch of banks, and they're about to lose a bunch of banks. They have about as much leverage as Bernie Sanders.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

When is Bernie going to endorse Hillary anyway.

No one in the press cares remotely about him anymore and he has no presence anymore. He has to know that he's not going to be noticed at all until he endorses Hillary, right?

 

[East Lake]

I really wish SYRIZA hadn't turned out to be a bunch of pushovers. There's no good solution in Greece but maybe if they had actually acted like leftists they could've been a good inspiration for other movements.

They were a bit of a shitshow but I don't think there's much they could do even if they were more competent. afiak Greeks don't want to leave europe and until they do they'll have very little control over their economy.

 

[Suikoguy]

When is Bernie going to endorse Hillary anyway.

No one in the press cares remotely about him anymore and he has no presence anymore. He has to know that he's not going to be noticed at all until he endorses Hillary, right?

Who knows, he had a rally today in NY and had bits that sounded like a victory speech, lol.
Dude is fucking mental.

He is responsible for the fucking bird, so this whole Brexit thing is actually his fault.

 

[kirblar]

When is Bernie going to endorse Hillary anyway.

No one in the press cares remotely about him anymore and he has no presence anymore. He has to know that he's not going to be noticed at all until he endorses Hillary, right?

If this doesn't do it, nothing will.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Said it in the OT thread but we just got the England from Children of Men.

 

[itschris]

Sanders' plans for the near future:

Still, formally sticking to the race so that his delegates can serve as a show of force during the party’s convention next month, Sanders entered June with a more-than-expected $9.2 million in his campaign account. Rather than wrap up and transfer that haul to other candidates or to his 2018 Senate re-election effort, he’s using the cash to keep a relatively high profile while he can, traveling from a speech to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials in Washington on Thursday to New York for his evening rally, an appearance on Stephen Colbert’s show, and a pair of rallies upstate on Friday.

Coming soon, he said on Thursday: a trip to California for a state Senate candidate, with more down-ballot trips in the pipeline.

A more concerted effort to take down Trump would take place down the line, he insisted, even as backers occasionally drowned him out with pleas for an independent run.

Fueling Sanders' active campaign schedule is his view that the platform fight is more important this year than it has been in recent conventions: he considers it a chance to wed Democratic officials in attendance in Philadelphia to the agreed-upon policies.

...

And while his campaign team pursues the changes in ongoing conversations with Clinton aides and loyalists, as well at the formal party conferences, Sanders is making it clear that his less overtly anti-Clinton posture shouldn’t be read as a full-scale embrace of her and her allies.

He’s rallying for a congressional candidate in Syracuse on Thursday — a first for his campaign — for example, but it’s also an implicit shot at Washington Democrats.

Sanders' candidate, Eric Kingson, is running in a primary against a Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee endorsee.

Meanwhile, as Sanders’ national staff remains miffed — if not shocked — that it hasn’t been consulted on Clinton’s vice presidential choice, his fans in the rest of the country haven’t stopped their own rumblings.

In New York, his delegates are refusing to recognize Gov. Andrew Cuomo — a Clinton ally — as the head of the state’s delegation to the convention after a state party meeting that turned contentious this week.

Sanders, for his part, has hardly discouraged such acts — he exhorted his Thursday night crowd to “never, ever lose your sense of outrage.”

It's so ridiculous that he still has a "campaign schedule".

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Sanders' plans for the near future:



It's so ridiculous that he still has a "campaign schedule".

Meanwhile, as Sanders’ national staff remains miffed — if not shocked — that it hasn’t been consulted on Clinton’s vice presidential choice, his fans in the rest of the country haven’t stopped their own rumblings.

The entitlement...

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

.... Huh

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tsiders/?postshare=9541466689484120&tid=ss_tw

Umm, read all of this about Trump supporters.

 

[whyamihere]

Sanders' plans for the near future:



It's so ridiculous that he still has a "campaign schedule".

Meanwhile, as Sanders’ national staff remains miffed — if not shocked — that it hasn’t been consulted on Clinton’s vice presidential choice, his fans in the rest of the country haven’t stopped their own rumblings.

In New York, his delegates are refusing to recognize Gov. Andrew Cuomo — a Clinton ally — as the head of the state’s delegation to the convention after a state party meeting that turned contentious this week.

Sanders, for his part, has hardly discouraged such acts — he exhorted his Thursday night crowd to “never, ever lose your sense of outrage.”

😐

 

[kess]

I don't think I've ever seen a political figure in my lifetime exit stage right in such ignominy as Cameron. This isn't a good sign, at all.

 

[Officerrob]

The UK is a fucking mess

 

[Suikoguy]

The UK is a fucking mess

Sanders should go over there, he would feel right at home.

Then again, that much mess in one area may create some type of singularity.

 

[User 463088]

Holy fuck, Cameron is out.

 

[ShironRedshift]

When is Bernie going to endorse Hillary anyway.

No one in the press cares remotely about him anymore and he has no presence anymore. He has to know that he's not going to be noticed at all until he endorses Hillary, right?

If anything, the Brexit result and stuff will probably push his timetable on that back precisely because he wouldn't get any spotlight or anything if he resigns since there are more important issues going on and he just can't get over his 5 minutes of fame being over.

But ultimately the only one he's hurting at this point is himself by acting that way and it's just shocking that he doesn't see that the longer he stays in, the less of a position he's in to argue for anything. Like I've said before, I'm not even mad at him anymore. Just terribly sad and disappointed. He definitely could have done a lot of good with his movements and with the supporters he had--it really was wonderful that he got so many young people involved in the process and there was so much he could have done with that when he was at his peak--but he chooses to do this and go out like this instead apparently. Oh well.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

FTSE has emergency measures to stop trading right? Now might be a good time.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I don't think I've ever seen a political figure in my lifetime exit stage right in such ignominy as Cameron. This isn't a good sign, at all.

He'll be seen as the worst Prime Minister since Eden, maybe Chamberlain. An gobsmacking failure of a political career.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Honestly I feel like we are witnessing a major historical event right now.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Honestly I feel like we are witnessing a major historical event right now.

Yes. I'd say this will have longer geopolitical ramifications than 9/11, even. Probably the most significant global event since the events of 1991.

 

[User 463088]

This is just surreal.

Do you think that they'll call an early election? I mean, if Labour doesn't wise the hell up, I totally would.

 

[Voysa Reezun]

I don't understand why Cameron would resign now, but say that elections could happen as late as October. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the sort of seeming instability that will keep the markets terrified for the next three months?

On another note, the UK is the one who pulls the trigger on article fifty, but a) are there things that the rest of the EU can do to force the UK to do so ASAP, and b) what would be the pros and cons of forcing the UK to do so?

 

[johnsmith]

New thread title suggestion:
"You Brexit, you bought it"

 

[Deleted member 231381]

This is just surreal.

Do you think that they'll call an early election? I mean, if Labour doesn't wise the hell up, I totally would.

Depends. What's going to happen to the UKIP vote now, for example? And what about pro-European Conservatives, about a third of the party? It's just too unpredictable, I think. Why waste a good majority when you have 4 years left in your term?

 

[User 463088]

Depends. What's going to happen to the UKIP vote now, for example? And what about pro-European Conservatives, about a third of the party? It's just too unpredictable, I think. Why waste a good majority when you have 4 years left in your term?

I agree with that, but we're talking about 150000 people picking the new PM. If you're off this big win that you've gotten your way...I can see the allure of calling it, especially if Boris gets the leadership.

 

[Officerrob]

Honestly I feel like we are witnessing a major historical event right now.

I don't think that's debatable, this is a massive historical event

 

[Maledict]

I think we will see an election if Corbyn doesn't go. The Tories view him as easily beatable, the referendum has exposed massive faults in the labour base - it is the best opportunity now for any Tory leader to win a majority.

 

[Crocodile]

So I'm kind of ignorant of UK politics. How/why did a vote come about for the UK to leave the EU? Like how does that even happen? Shouldn't there be like checks and balances to stop that? The PM has complete authority to have made something like this happen?

 

[aspiegamer]

Wow. I got to witness a statement given live by the man who will be personally responsible for the actual physical breakup of the United Kingdom. That's quite the feat! Many great historical figures have tried very hard to do this at the costs of millions of lives over many centuries, and to think he did it so effortlessly!

 

[CCS]

So I'm kind of ignorant of UK politics. How/why did a vote come about for the UK to leave the EU? Like how does that even happen? Shouldn't there be like checks and balances to stop that? The PM has complete authority to have made something like this happen?

Yep, the dumb fucking cunt panicked and promised a referendum to prop himself up at the last election.

 

[Maledict]

So I'm kind of ignorant of UK politics. How/why did a vote come about for the UK to leave the EU? Like how does that even happen? Shouldn't there be like checks and balances to stop that? The PM has complete authority to have made something like this happen?

It was a manifesto commitment in the conservative party manifesto for the last election, and they won a majority (by surprise). I honestly don't think he expected that, and wasn't planning to hold it.

He promised it in the first place to try and stave off the rabid right wing lunatics in his party who have been going on about Europe for the last 40 years. It was meant to lance the boil - instead it's put the boil in charge,

 

[Deleted member 231381]

So I'm kind of ignorant of UK politics. How/why did a vote come about for the UK to leave the EU? Like how does that even happen? Shouldn't there be like checks and balances to stop that? The PM has complete authority to have made something like this happen?

There are checks and balances. This just made it through all of them because David Cameron is a an absolute fuckwad of the highest proportion.