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PS5 Pro Specs Leak are Real, Releasing Holiday 2024(Insider Gaming)
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TheRedRiders
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He mentioned that a lack of launch titles with the Pro was part of his reasoning. Although this isn't entirely accurate as I'm sure we'll be getting day 1 patches for AC Shadows and COD, and also the alleged Horizon Remake.
Perrott
Member
A deeply flawed and ignorant reasoning. As I was saying in another thread, the PS4 Pro didn't have any original, tentpole first-party releases at launch in early November 2016. It took nearly four months for any visually striking first-party exclusive with mass market appeal, Horizon: Zero Dawn, to come out.
Yet it didn't seem to matter: the Pro performed well above Sony's expectations at launch and throughout the lifecycle, finishing the generation with around ~15M units sold, roughly 3 in 10 PS4's sold since November 2016.
Again, Tom Henderson does have solid sources and access to internal documentation, yes, but outside of reporting on cold facts, his level of analysis and overall understanding of the games business and it's history isn't really above that of an average Reddit or Twitter poster.
As proven by this whole "PS5 Pro delay" debacle.
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nial
Gold Member
The idea that PS5 Pro would get delayed out of the holiday season just so it can launch alongside a first-party heavy hitter is ridiculous. More so, I'm betting that SIE's winter/spring 2025 lineup will mostly consist of smaller games not meant to be graphical showcases, with short announcement to release time frames.
saintjules
Gold Member
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Even without a patch the 60FPS mode in games will have a better resolution, making it the best of both.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Spiderman 2 is just Spiderman 1 in 4K. I mean I don't need to even discuss it any further as there were plenty of topics of people being underwhelmed with the graphical upgrade after 5 years, especially with Miles Morales on PS5. In the end, we got more of the same, definitely not squeezing any extra power from the PS5, they just took the safe path like Horizon 2 and GoW 2.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I was also underwhelmed by the visuals, but we can’t sit here and pretend that Demon’s Souls Remake takes advantage of the PS5 while Spider-Man 2 does not.
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bitbydeath
Gold Member
Wasn’t a lot of people doubting the original trailer, and saying the graphics wouldn’t be that good?
I don’t think Horizon disappointed graphically.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Categorically false.
//DEVIL//
Member
yup. because spider man 2 doesn't even look as good as spider man 1 in 4k.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
What he said specifically was software not launch titles.
It could be very possible that they don't have enough games patched via 1st and 3rd party making use of Pro features, which would be a massive disappointment if true.
The following games need to be available to play via Ps5 Pro on day 1:
1st party
Spider-Man 2
Horizon Forbidden West
TLOU P1
TLOU P2 Remastered
God of War Ragnarok
GT7
Returnal
ratchet and clank rift apart
Stellar Blade
Rise of the Ronin
3rd party
Cyberpunk 2077
Final Fantasy 16
FF7 Rebirth
Elden Ring
Hogwarts Legacy
Genshin Impact
Resident Evil 4
Honorable mentions
Demon's Souls
Spider-Man Remastered
Miles Morales
FF7 Remake
Helldivers 2
Ghost of Tsushima
GTAV
Resident Evil Village
Baldurs Gate 3
Street Fighter
Mortal Kombat
Tekken
Uncharted Legacy of Thieves
Ultimately, it will be interesting to see which games get helped by the PS5 Pro either natively or by update. A lot of games out there already have higher end assets from the PC versions, shouldn't be that hard to bring these to PS5 Pro, but I imagine testing could take a lot of time.
Any company who doesn't put these games on PS5 Pro are simply sleeping on sales. It's like a relaunch of a title in some cases. Like Demon's Souls could do VERY well on PS5 Pro.
Physiognomonics
Member
Henderson is really good at FUDing then re-hyping things in order to create his own clicks.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
I had a PS4PRO and developers didn't care.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
as long it stabilize the 60fps and increase resolution im happy, i dont need to see insane improvements.
PeteBull
Member
Thats why its in future pr0 owners interest that it sells well, especially first year, coz after that once gta6 launches(hopefully we get gta6+ pr0 bundle;p) there wont be any sales problems anymore
If pr0 sells 10-15m on its first year and doubles it on its 2nd(gta6 launch) year then it cant be ignored by dev studios anymore
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Not sure what you're talking about. I had a PS4 Pro and I loved the thing. Nearly every game I wanted to play on it, played better than it would have on PS4 especially late in the generation. I also replayed some games that got enhancements too. The machine was much quieter as well.
Couldn't imagine playing God of War, Spider-Man, TLOU2, and FF7 Remake on a base PS4.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
I think Horizon 2 looks beautiful as well but those finer details in the face, you can only pick it up on in cutscenes and photo mode. But overall the whole package looked just like H1 but in 4K. I think what people doubted were the facial animations that were in engine but again, we see Aloy 95% of the time from the back. Plus its a cross-gen title. What if it wasn't, we would of seen a bigger jump probably.
Quantum253
Gold Member
Anyone hear anything from Sean Murray about the World's Pt 1 patch and PS5 Pro? I'm curious if 2 will be pro enhanced or 1 will also have enhancements by EoY
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Physiognomonics
Member
I could see Death Stranding 2 with RT (like supposed) running at 30fps on PS5 and 60fps on Pro. We know this is exactly the kind of scenario where game framerate could get doubled, when RT is involved.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Its on track, COD BO6 SHOULD have a Pro patch day one (Dont know if its day one COD launch or Pro launch though)
bender
What time is it?
Thats why its in future pr0 owners interest that it sells well, especially first year, coz after that once gta6 launches(hopefully we get gta6+ pr0 bundle;p) there wont be any sales problems anymore
If pr0 sells 10-15m on its first year and doubles it on its 2nd(gta6 launch) year then it cant be ignored by dev studios anymore
If the $600+ speculation is true, it's not going to sell well. It's going to be hard enough to market it in the first place as they don't have the easy 4K messaging the PS4Pro afforded them.
Audiophile
Member
Tbf, the PS5 is roughly matching the PS4 at a 50-66% higher price point and the initial Pro buyers will probably be less price-sensitive than base/slim unit buyers. If base PS5 buyers are accepting this is now a semi-premium space rather than a budget space, I think the Pro buyers will too.
As for marketing, "Ray Tracing", "AI" & "better graphics" will likely carry as much if not more weight among much of the target audience relative to the "4K" moniker on PS4 Pro.
As for marketing, "Ray Tracing", "AI" & "better graphics" will likely carry as much if not more weight among much of the target audience relative to the "4K" moniker on PS4 Pro.
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Lagspike_exe
Member
Awesome. If PSSR is as good as XeSS, the 120 FPS multiplayer will be glorious.Its on track, COD BO6 SHOULD have a Pro patch day one (Dont know if its day one COD launch or Pro launch though)
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Its on track, COD BO6 SHOULD have a Pro patch day one (Dont know if its day one COD launch or Pro launch though)
Oooohhhh were you referring to unreleased black ops CoD being able to easily run 4k/120 on the Pro or MW3 thats out already???
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I don't think I said easily (If I did I didn't mean it that way) but do remember mentioning it looks near native 4k 120
And its the new one coming
TheRedRiders
Member
likely 1080p upsampled to 4K via PSSR and running at 120 FPS.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Ah sorry to misquote I think you referenced PSSR implementation as relatively easy
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
No worries, yeah I did say I heard PSSR was super easy to get up and running
ChiefDada
Gold Member
I really hope this is the case.
I would be 10x more impressed with them using PSSR getting a near native 4k quality image from 1080p internal resolution than rendering native 4k120 from traditional gpu raster.
Ashamam
Member
Saw this linked elsewhere.
I don't think its much help in terms of divining performance, but does give yet another data point to the existence and imminence of the Pro. The increased lower bound resolution tells you very little. It could literally be a dev in the middle of multiple config edits for some basic benchmarking and one got snapshotted through version control for other platforms.
I don't think its much help in terms of divining performance, but does give yet another data point to the existence and imminence of the Pro. The increased lower bound resolution tells you very little. It could literally be a dev in the middle of multiple config edits for some basic benchmarking and one got snapshotted through version control for other platforms.
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PaintTinJr
Member
I don't think this highlevel graphics enumeration list tells us anything other than how a third party PC developer is doing the bare minimum with wrappered capabilities, because the NvidiaReflexLowLatencyEnum has nothing to do with low level library sdk capabilities of PlayStation or Xbox when both consoles contain AMD hardware and don't use that nvidia extension for low latency and certainly wouldn't put it in their console graphics driver even if its possibly wrappered in their highlevel sdk calls for easy DirectX development on custom Opengl ES specced hardware.
Once again it looks like the well intended efforts of Cerny to reduce the PlayStation time to triangle for developers has backfired and just resulted in devs taking that help and committing even less time or concern to console development, unlike the past gens where their commitment to more costly time to triangle meant they felt the pressure to produce even better compelling games that would land well on console more consistently because their financial reality would put them in trouble if relying on PC sales to offset poor reception on console.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
I got a PS4 Pro at launch and the patches for games like Infamous Second Son were good enough for me, I was very happy with it. But I am not sure you will get the same juice from a PS5 Pro and patches.
Still I think it will come out this year. Or be cancelled. But likely will come out this year. Sony will announce it in September for a November release.
saintjules
Gold Member
Agree. It just highlights the codename 'Trinity' that we've been hearing about and the Pro's existence. People questioning whether a Pro should exist or not would be irrelevant here.
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Perrott
Member
PS5 Pro will bring much greater benefits in those patches than what the PS4 Pro was capable. Take Final Fantasy XVI (GPU-limited title) for instance:
PlayStation 5
- Fidelity Mode: 1080p to 1440p DRS range with FSR2 upscaling at 30fps.
- Performance Mode: 720p to 1080p DRS range with FRS2 upscaling at usually 60fps (and bottom resolution) during in combat and a highly unstable framerate (while higher resolution) during exploration.
- Fidelity Mode: 1440p to 1800p DRS range with PSSR at 30fps. Pristine image quality.
- Performance Mode: 1080p to 1440p DRS range with PSSR at 60fps. Good image quality and rock-solid performance.
TIL there's a new definition for vaporware.
Et3rn1ty
Neo Member
Any E.T.A when you will be able to share with us some information that you know?Its on track, COD BO6 SHOULD have a Pro patch day one (Dont know if its day one COD launch or Pro launch though)
When ,with your estimation,can you talk more open?
In 1 ,2,3 weeks etc...
Yes, all great questions for HeisenbergFX4!
Corporal.Hicks
Member
I think some people just do not like the idea of playing on an inferior hardware (standard PS5 console), and maybe they cannot afford to buy a new PRO PS5 console. I'm telling you, if you gave them a free PS5 pro, they'd happily take it and thank you
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Sadly having signed an NDA on what I have seen and not having been able to take a picture because I had to hand over my phone I wont be able to break any kind of new stuff without breaking trust I have built with some (one of the downfalls of using the same name on social media and my secondary gaming accounts, I cant hide)
Plus after the fact I hate saying "yup thats what I saw" as anyone can claim that
JerryinSoCal
Member
I don't get why some people think this needs a launch line up, it's not a new gen console it's a new member to the PS5 family. I'm sure a lot of older first party games will get patches of some kind to take advantage of it.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
You signed the NDA for COD or for the PRO itself?Its on track, COD BO6 SHOULD have a Pro patch day one (Dont know if its day one COD launch or Pro launch though)
Kings Field
Member
I’d rather it come out earlier than later if they’re gonna keep the hardware the same. Throw in some patches for some games and I’ll be good for a bit.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Stuff I have seen on the Pro