The Order: 1886 | The Evolution of the Half-Breeds

I've been wanting a werewolf-themed horror game for years, which is one of the reasons why I'm really looking forward to this game. I only hope there'll be even more wolf-like variations of them, like in The Howling (1981).

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Triggerhappytel said:
Is that really even a relevant or used term any more?!
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Well, I mean, Cher had a US #1 single in the 1970s with a song called Half-Breed about the racism faced by a mixed race Cherokee woman. That's not bad for a 19th century term. And it's still used everyday by bigots and ignorami as an insult for anyone of mixed ethnicity, and people still find it as insulting as they did a hundred years ago. If the term seems slightly less relevant in pop culture, it's because I think most creative types know it's not a term that should be thrown around lightly, and have stopped using it.

I mean, there are plenty of racist words from back in the day that don't get used much anymore, but they'd still be insulting to someone if you used them. I just think a bit of tact in this case could have saved some unfortunate implications, especially when the developers are talking about these half-breeds having almost the intelligence of normal humans, but being more bestial features and feral features, and having an animal sense of cunning. And the main characters have to drink "blackwater" in order to be able to fight them. Just sayin' the context isn't particularly great... my main hope is that this is intentional, and they're going to lampshade it at some point, otherwise there are some pretty unfortunate implications there.
 
TitusGroan said:
Well, I mean, Cher had a US #1 single in the 1970s with a song called Half-Breed about the racism faced by a mixed race Cherokee woman. That's not bad for a 19th century term. And it's still used everyday by bigots and ignorami as an insult for anyone of mixed ethnicity, and people still find it as insulting as they did a hundred years ago. If the term seems slightly less relevant in pop culture, it's because I think most creative types know it's not a term that should be thrown around lightly, and have stopped using it.

I mean, there are plenty of racist words from back in the day that don't get used much anymore, but they'd still be insulting to someone if you used them. I just think a bit of tact in this case could have saved some unfortunate implications, especially when the developers are talking about these half-breeds having almost the intelligence of normal humans, but being more bestial features and feral features, and having an animal sense of cunning. And the main characters have to drink "blackwater" in order to be able to fight them. Just sayin' the context isn't particularly great... my main hope is that this is intentional, and they're going to lampshade it at some point, otherwise there are some pretty unfortunate implications there.
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Well, quick googling shows, that the term was also used in Harry Potter; http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Half-breed
Half-breed is a term given to humans with at least one non-human parent, although those with more distant non-human ancestry are also referred to as half-breed. "Half-breed" may be an offensive, rather than proper, term, as it seems to appear as an insult. There is a great deal of prejudice against half-breeds in the wizarding world, which also tends to discriminate against non-human beings in general.
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And in Twilight series; http://twilightsaga.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Hybrids
The half-breeds of vampire and human.
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I think people are looking too much into the term.
 
The term was used in Harry Potter as a deliberate reference to the real world insult. You're not supposed to sympathise with anyone using the word, and in fact, anyone in the Harry Potter setting who uses the term is marked out as a colossal racist supremacist douchebag.

If JK Rowling had gone around talking about how Half-Breeds are a threat Harry and chums need to overcome, then the comparison would be apt, but she didn't. It's a racist term in setting based on the racist term in real life. No-one using it in universe is justified.
 
TitusGroan said:
Well, I mean, Cher had a US #1 single in the 1970s with a song called Half-Breed about the racism faced by a mixed race Cherokee woman. That's not bad for a 19th century term. And it's still used everyday by bigots and ignorami as an insult for anyone of mixed ethnicity, and people still find it as insulting as they did a hundred years ago. If the term seems slightly less relevant in pop culture, it's because I think most creative types know it's not a term that should be thrown around lightly, and have stopped using it.

I mean, there are plenty of racist words from back in the day that don't get used much anymore, but they'd still be insulting to someone if you used them. I just think a bit of tact in this case could have saved some unfortunate implications, especially when the developers are talking about these half-breeds having almost the intelligence of normal humans, but being more bestial features and feral features, and having an animal sense of cunning. And the main characters have to drink "blackwater" in order to be able to fight them. Just sayin' the context isn't particularly great... my main hope is that this is intentional, and they're going to lampshade it at some point, otherwise there are some pretty unfortunate implications there.
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The rest of your theory is bad enough, but how on earth does the word 'blackwater' imply an undercurrent of racism to you?
 
Cthulhu_Steev said:
The rest of your theory is bad enough, but how on earth does the word 'blackwater' imply an undercurrent of racism to you?
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It's the context of the thing. You've got an all white group of warriors fighting against feral 'half-breeds' who are a mix of human and animal, and in order to fight on a level playing field you need to drink 'black water' to be equal to them in prowess.

I'm not saying it's overt racism, I'm saying the implications and context are troublesome. There's a long and horrible real life history of white men portraying black people as bestial, ape-like beings more closer to animals, and people using the term 'half-breed' as a way to imply mixed race people are lesser humans than pure whites. Words have history, and I just think they could have kept a better awareness about the history of a term like half-breed, rather than using it as a catch-all term for the enemies you fight in the game.
 
TitusGroan said:
The term was used in Harry Potter as a deliberate reference to the real world insult. You're not supposed to sympathise with anyone using the word, and in fact, anyone in the Harry Potter setting who uses the term is marked out as a colossal racist supremacist douchebag.

If JK Rowling had gone around talking about how Half-Breeds are a threat Harry and chums need to overcome, then the comparison would be apt, but she didn't. It's a racist term in setting based on the racist term in real life. No-one using it in universe is justified.
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Fiction often adopts things from reality, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's straightly linked to history, or the current climate, or that it would have any underlying controversial context. People tend to see things from their own perspective, which often isn't what the creators' intended.
 
Melchiah said:
Fiction often adopts things from reality, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's straightly linked to history, or the current climate, or that it would have any underlying controversial context. People tend to see things from their own perspective, which often isn't what the creators' intended.
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The people who use the term half-breed in Harry Potter are clearly meant to be seen as wrong for doing so, as they all happen to be working for Voldemort, and engaging in a blood war to try and return wizarding to the pure-bloods. Something the novel paints in no uncertain terms as A Very bad Thing.

When Harry Potter is about a war between good wizards and the magic equivalent of the KKK, and that same magical KKK uses terms like half-breed, you don't get to say that it's an ambiguous term. It's clearly a bigoted insult, and not something to be sympathised with unless you think Volemort is the secret hero of the story.

And in that sense, it is very much drawing from the real world, by showing the term for the racist word that it is.
 
TitusGroan said:
The people who use the term half-breed in Harry Potter are clearly meant to be seen as wrong for doing so, as they all happen to be working for Voldemort, and engaging in a blood war to try and return wizarding to the pure-bloods. Something the novel paints in no uncertain terms as A Very bad Thing.

When Harry Potter is about a war between good wizards and the magic equivalent of the KKK, and that same magical KKK uses terms like half-breed, you don't get to say that it's an ambiguous term. It's clearly a bigoted insult, and not something to be sympathised with unless you think Volemort is the secret hero of the story.

And in that sense, it is very much drawing from the real world, by showing the term for the racist word that it is.
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I'm not arguing that the term wouldn't have such implications, just that the werewolves/half-breeds (ie. the bad guys) in the game would be a metaphor to something else.
 
Melchiah said:
I'm not arguing that the term wouldn't have such implications, just that the werewolves/half-breeds (ie. the bad guys) in the game would be a metaphor to something else.
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But that's my point- whatever the implied metaphor may be, having a half-human/half-animal being labelled as a half-breed carries unimplied subtext as well. I'm not trying to say that RAD are racists or anything, just that the way they use terminology carries connotations which, even if not meant, are still unfortunate. A term can have a meaning that is meant, but also meaning that was not meant, yet which still applies. Whatever RAD may have wanted, half-breed is a real term with a real and unfortunate history. The context in which they use it doesn't help dispel that real world meaning.
 
TitusGroan said:
It's the context of the thing. You've got an all white group of warriors fighting against feral 'half-breeds' who are a mix of human and animal, and in order to fight on a level playing field you need to drink 'black water' to be equal to them in prowess.

I'm not saying it's overt racism, I'm saying the implications and context are troublesome. There's a long and horrible real life history of white men portraying black people as bestial, ape-like beings more closer to animals, and people using the term 'half-breed' as a way to imply mixed race people are lesser humans than pure whites. Words have history, and I just think they could have kept a better awareness about the history of a term like half-breed, rather than using it as a catch-all term for the enemies you fight in the game.
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Goodness gracious!
 
'Filmic'
30fps
Black bars
No multiplayer or co-op
QTEs
Delayed to 2015

And now it's racist apparently.

Boy, has this game had an uphill battle or what.
 
Acquiescence said:
'Filmic'
30fps
Black bars
No multiplayer or co-op
QTEs
Delayed to 2015

And now it's racist apparently.

Boy, has this game had an uphill battle or what.
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I'm not saying the game is racist. I'm saying it uses a poor choice of words and terminology, with unfortunate implications. That is not the same as saying something is out-and-out racist.

It would be nice if I could mention that the term Half-Breed is a real world racist insult without people then putting words in my mouth.
 
TitusGroan said:
It's the context of the thing. You've got an all white group of warriors fighting against feral 'half-breeds' who are a mix of human and animal, and in order to fight on a level playing field you need to drink 'black water' to be equal to them in prowess.

I'm not saying it's overt racism, I'm saying the implications and context are troublesome. There's a long and horrible real life history of white men portraying black people as bestial, ape-like beings more closer to animals, and people using the term 'half-breed' as a way to imply mixed race people are lesser humans than pure whites. Words have history, and I just think they could have kept a better awareness about the history of a term like half-breed, rather than using it as a catch-all term for the enemies you fight in the game.
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FFS - this is why we can't have nice things
 
TitusGroan said:
But that's my point- whatever the implied metaphor may be, having a half-human/half-animal being labelled as a half-breed carries unimplied subtext as well. I'm not trying to say that RAD are racists or anything, just that the way they use terminology carries connotations which, even if not meant, are still unfortunate. A term can have a meaning that is meant, but also meaning that was not meant, yet which still applies. Whatever RAD may have wanted, half-breed is a real term with a real and unfortunate history. The context in which they use it doesn't help dispel that real world meaning.
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I was just editing my post, but was too slow. ;)

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out in the game, that things aren't as black and white as they seem at first glance. The order of knights might not be as goody-goody as they are portrayed. At least that's the impression I get from the Wikipedia synopsis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order:_1886
The Order: 1886 is set in an alternate history London, where an old order of knights keep all of the world safe from half breed monsters, who are a combination of animal and man. In the game's history, around the seventh or eighth centuries a small number of humans took on bestial traits. The majority of humans feared these half breeds and war broke out. Despite the humans outnumbering the half breeds, their animal strength gave them the upper hand in centuries of conflict.

Centuries later, humanity finds new hope in King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. King Arthur and his like-minded knights take the fight to the half breeds, but Arthur soon realizes it's a losing battle. Through a mysterious turn of fate The Knights discover Black Water, a mystical liquid that significantly extends their lifetimes and gives them remarkable healing abilities. Despite this new advantage the half breeds continue to win battle after battle, until the industrial Revolution turns the tide. Inventors are far ahead of their time, inventing technologies such as thermal imaging, Zeppelins, and wireless communications. New weapons belch electricity, ignite clouds of molten metal on top of enemies, and fulfill dual functions as Fragmentation grenades and proximity mines.

By 1886, the war still goes on, but the humans almost have martial law. A new threat emerges in the form of the lower classes rebelling against the rich and the social order, with the Knights supporting the well-to-do upper classes and nobles. The game features four main protagonists from the same squad, who each has a given name, and the adopted name of one of the original Knights. The oldest is Sebastian Mallory, the second to bear the name of Sir Percival, and the descendant of Thomas Mallory, who in the 1400s wrote Le Morte d'Arthur, the definitive Arthurian Text. A close friend of Grayson, he is one of the best Knights in the history of the order.
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And I wouldn't be surprised either, if the "mystical liquid" had a werewolf origin.
 
TitusGroan said:
I'm not saying the game is racist. I'm saying it uses a poor choice of words and terminology, with unfortunate implications. That is not the same as saying something is out-and-out racist.

It would be nice if I could mention that the term Half-Breed is a real world racist insult without people then putting words in my mouth.
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It does not. Just because a word was contaminated does not preclude anybody form using it to describe exactly what it means. In this case, a Hybrid, half-human, half-wolf or whatever.
 
El-Pistolero said:
It does not. Just because a word was contaminated does not preclude anybody form using it to describe exactly what it means. In this case, a Hybrid, half-human, half-wolf or whatever.
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The term was not 'contaminated'. The term whenever used to describe a human is always derogatory. As a term to describe animals or livestock it's fine, but whenever the term is used to describe a human, it instantly becomes an insult. There is no way you could ever describe someone as a half-breed and not be insulting towards them.

In this context, even though the Lycans are pretty monstrous looking, they're still sentient and clearly capable of rational thought and speech, which is why the term is unfortunate. Not out-and-out racist, because this is a fantasy setting and they are fantasy werewolves, but still unfortunate. This applies to any fantasy setting which applies (intentionally or no) problematic tropes to its characters. People have been debating whether LOTR has unimplied racism for decades for this very reason.
 
TitusGroan said:
The term was not 'contaminated'. The term whenever used to describe a human is always derogatory. As a term to describe animals or livestock it's fine, but whenever the term is used to describe a human, it instantly becomes an insult. There is no way you could ever describe someone as a half-breed and not be insulting towards them.

In this context, even though the Lycans are pretty monstrous looking, they're still sentient and clearly capable of rational thought and speech, which is why the term is unfortunate. Not out-and-out racist, because this is a fantasy setting and they are fantasy werewolves, but still unfortunate. This applies to any fantasy setting which applies (intentionally or no) problematic tropes to its characters. People have been debating whether LOTR has unimplied racism for decades for this very reason.
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I really feel like you're stretching with all this. Do you get bothered when people call each other 'nigger'? Language changes over centuries or even decades. I don't believe half-breed used as a racist term has any usage or relevance any more.

As for your concerns over the knights using Black Water, we don't know enough about it to comment. From this trailer the liquid, whatever it is, appears to be literally black, so its name makes sense.

Lastly, I do not recall half-breed being a term in the Harry Potter books, although it is about seven years since I read one. Mudblood was the main insult in that regard, and they made a big deal out of it.
 
Triggerhappytel said:
I really feel like you're stretching with all this. Do you get bothered when people call each other 'nigger'? Language changes over centuries or even decades. I don't believe half-breed used as a racist term has any usage or relevance any more.
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Are we really going to bring the N words into this for comparison? Really?

Fine. What terminology friends in social circle use for each other is none of of my concern. I have general issue with the word 'nigger' for the same reason Richard Pryor went sour on the word: it's a term used to describe wretchedness. If two friends want to call each other nigger, then that's one thing. That does not make it an acceptable term to be used in general conversation, and I would take HUGE issue with any game that presented their fantasy non-human enemies as 'Niggers', though that would be more overtly racist than unfortunate implication as with half-breed.

Half-breed still has useage as a racist term, as shown by the fact that people still get offended when others use it. Same for the term half-caste (which had a very famous poem written about it). Implying that people are only half-human in some way is insulting, and the word has a long and ignoble history. It may not be put out in propaganda leaflets like it was in the days of the KKK, but it's still an insulting term to this day. RAD would have been better off at least bearing that context in mind.

Lastly, I do not recall half-breed being a term in the Harry Potter books, although it is about seven years since I read one. Mudblood was the main insult in that regard, and they made a big deal out of it.
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http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Half-breed

The term is used in-universe by people working for Voldemort, and Dolores Umbridge, all of whom are presented as villains. It's clearly implied as a racially motivated insult, just like the real life term.
 
TitusGroan, you're using pseudo intellect to strengthen a fabricated concern and it's embarrassing.

In the context of this game, halfbreed means half human, half creature and there's NO ambiguity about that whatsoever. I would question your own reasoning here; perhaps there's something about 'you' that is questionable.
 
He said it was an unfortunate coincidence . Which if you think about it it is just on the word level . Nothing less nothing more IMO . But haha I do have to agree with the post on "uphill for order " :)
 
GribbleGrunger said:
TitusGroan, you're using pseudo intellect to strengthen a fabricated concern and it's embarrassing.

In the context of this game, halfbreed means half human, half creature and there's NO ambiguity about that whatsoever. I would question your own reasoning here; perhaps there's something about 'you' that is questionable.
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Fellas, I reckon we got ourselves a 'half-breed' lover here.

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But Voldemort was a *HP Spoiler*
halfbreed and the war was to cleanse the wizard population of halfbreeds and human lovers.

I think, like the majority of people here, that 1886s use of halfbreed is not racists.
 
I wonder whether the lycans are the only enemy type beside normal hostile humans...

I suppose they could have vampires and other monsters. Have they talked about it?
 
Okay, so putting aside the utter ridiculousness of this whole "half-breed" debate for a minute... Maybe the term is meant to be both accurate (in that the people are half man, half beast) AND insulting (in that it implies they are less than human). Seeing as they're the antagonists of the story, either context of the word would make sense.

Getting offended about it, however, smacks of hypersensitivity and a lack of recognition of context. You have to be pretty special to interpret old racism from the way it's being used for this game.
 
Night Angel said:
Okay, so putting aside the utter ridiculousness of this whole "half-breed" debate for a minute... Maybe the term is meant to be both accurate (in that the people are half man, half beast) AND insulting (in that it implies they are less than human). Seeing as they're the antagonists of the story, either context of the word would make sense.
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Sounds like a pretty logical assessment to me.
 
They picked a loaded term on purpose. It's not "unfortunate" (how many times has Titus used that word - I dislike this type of concern trolling, the use of that and "troublesome"). It's deliberate. Obviously deliberate. Not racist, simply charged language.

As for the werewolf design, it's pretty interesting in how reserved it is. I get what they are going for, even if it isn't maybe the way I would have gone, but I can respect that they didn't want to make their own tiny variation on the usual dog-man.
 
Melchiah said:
I was just editing my post, but was too slow. ;)

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out in the game, that things aren't as black and white as they seem at first glance. The order of knights might not be as goody-goody as they are portrayed. At least that's the impression I get from the Wikipedia synopsis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order:_1886


And I wouldn't be surprised either, if the "mystical liquid" had a werewolf origin.
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They kind of hinted at various types of half breeds so I would not discount it being vampiric in nature. I also would not be surprised if members of the Order were half breeds or something similar themselves.
 
Night Angel said:
Okay, so putting aside the utter ridiculousness of this whole "half-breed" debate for a minute... Maybe the term is meant to be both accurate (in that the people are half man, half beast) AND insulting (in that it implies they are less than human). Seeing as they're the antagonists of the story, either context of the word would make sense.

Getting offended about it, however, smacks of hypersensitivity and a lack of recognition of context. You have to be pretty special to interpret old racism from the way it's being used for this game.
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Good post. But you know the internet gonna internet.
 
Nerfgun said:
They picked a loaded term on purpose. It's not "unfortunate" (how many times has Titus used that word - I dislike this type of concern trolling, the use of that and "troublesome"). It's deliberate. Obviously deliberate. Not racist, simply charged language.
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Which is fine when its just characters in the game using the term, but when the developers themselves are using the term to describe the design of the enemies, then why are they using a loaded term in an interview? Clint Eastwood didn't use the term 'gooks' to describe characters when doing the press trail for Gran Torino, despite it being used in the film, because it would have undermined the point about his character's usage of it being clearly racist. If the characters' useage of the term is supposed to be charged on purpose, then the best thing the developers could do would be to refrain from using the term themselves to help make that point.

That is, if that is indeed the angle they're going for.

I'm sorry you think this is concern trolling. My original point is that half-breed is a term with racist history. Other people have questioned me on that point, and I've provided my reasoning. You're free to disagree, but if you think me making a point of why I think half-breed isn't a great term to use is trolling, then I will merely point out that you are perfectly at leisure to ignore my posts. No-one is forcing you to read them.
 
OsirisBlack said:
They kind of hinted at various types of half breeds so I would not discount it being vampiric in nature. I also would not be surprised if members of the Order were half breeds or something similar themselves.
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I kinda hope there won't be vampires though, as the past years' movies have tainted them for me, and I prefer more intimidating adversaries, but various types of werewolves sounds good.
 
TitusGroan said:
Which is fine when its just characters in the game using the term, but when the developers themselves are using the term to describe the design of the enemies, then why are they using a loaded term in an interview? Clint Eastwood didn't use the term 'gooks' to describe characters when doing the press trail for Gran Torino, despite it being used in the film, because it would have undermined the point about his character's usage of it being clearly racist. If the characters' useage of the term is supposed to be charged on purpose, then the best thing the developers could do would be to refrain from using the term themselves to help make that point.

That is, if that is indeed the angle they're going for.

I'm sorry you think this is concern trolling. My original point is that half-breed is a term with racist history. Other people have questioned me on that point, and I've provided my reasoning. You're free to disagree, but if you think me making a point of why I think half-breed isn't a great term to use is trolling, then I will merely point out that you are perfectly at leisure to ignore my posts. No-one is forcing you to read them.
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Fair enough, I just disagree, and the vehement – or rather, repeated – over-explanation you've offered isn't particularly satisfactory. You seem to be driving at this hand-wavy idea of the "unfortunate" term they are using, which is an accusation of implied racism, which simply doesn't exist when you are referring to a fictional race. Of course they are using the term, that is the actual name given to those enemy types.

So you either think RAD is using coded language or you think they are idiots. I just don't buy it.
 
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I was really wondering why the positive news about this game gets little to no coverage but people cannot wait to spread negativity about it.

Melchiah said:
I kinda hope there won't be vampires though, as the past years' movies have tainted them for me, and I prefer more intimidating adversaries, but various types of werewolves sounds good.
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I would generally agree with you but the way they have carefully and in my opinion masterfully handled Lycans gives me faith that they would handle nosferatu with the same care. I love horror films and it says quite a bit when the scariest adaptation of a werewolf that I have seen in many years is in a video game.
 
OsirisBlack said:
I was really wondering why the positive news about this game gets little to no coverage but people cannot wait to spread negativity about it.



I would generally agree with you but the way they have carefully and in my opinion masterfully handled Lycans gives me faith that they would handle nosferatu with the same care. I love horror films and it says quite a bit when the scariest adaptation of a werewolf that I have seen in many years is in a video game.
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To be fair it is RAD/Sony's fault for showing bad footage but that's no reason to ignore all the good impressions from people playing it.
 
Nerfgun said:
Fair enough, I just disagree, and the vehemence (or rather, repeated) over-explanation you've offered isn't particularly satisfactory. You seem to be driving at this hand-havy idea of the "unfortunate" term they are using, which is an accusation of implied racism, which simply doesn't exist when you are referring to a fictional race. Of course they are using the term, that is the actual name given to those enemy types.

So you either think RAD is using coded language or you think they are idiots. I just don't buy it.
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'Unfortunate implications' is an established term used to describe things that may not have been meant, but are still implied from a certain sentence or action. I'm sorry if you think I'm overusing the term, but it's better than constantly typing out "probably isn't racist, but still kinds sounds racist."

Accusations of racism can still be applied to fantastical works and fictional beings. Lord Of The Rings, for instance, has been debated over for decades over the way Tolkien chose to phrase certain things when describing Orcs, Easterlings and the like, as well as for the way that racial purity is justified in the setting itself through the way certain bloodlines run 'pure' while others have been diminished. That's not to say that it is racist, or that Tolkien himself was a racist (personally I doubt it) but the debate is there, and there are certain passages which do have somewhat dodgy implications. Tolkien was an Oxofrd professor, and still found his work involved in this debate, so I wouldn't assume that RAD are somehow too clever to know what they're using with this phrase. This debate has also been had about Narnia, Star Wars, Avatar, Transformers, and a whole host of other sci-fi/fantasy books and films, so I reject this notion that just because something is fantasy, it can't have racial implications.

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Fantasy robots from another planet. Still racist as hell.

The Order is nowhere near Michael Bay levels of racial insensitivity, but it's still using a loaded term, and I have yet to see any reason why the developers needed to use that word. Maybe the game will come out, and they'll stun me with how subversive their usage of the term is, but right now, I simply think it's a shame they couldn't have picked another phrase to describe their werewolves.

And on that note, I'm bowing out. I've explained my thoughts here, there's nothing else I can possibly add to it.
 
Anyone complaining about half-breed term is being absolutely ridiculous, at least wait for you to play the game before feeling offended.

Black Water is blood and they are vampires
 
OsirisBlack said:
I would generally agree with you but the way they have carefully and in my opinion masterfully handled Lycans gives me faith that they would handle nosferatu with the same care. I love horror films and it says quite a bit when the scariest adaptation of a werewolf that I have seen in many years is in a video game.
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Yeah, for me The Howling (1981) is still unsurpassed in the genre, and it's kinda depressing the 80's werewolf flicks still top everything that's been done since. I think the last vampire flick, that managed to make the creatures somewhat fearsome, was 30 Days of Night, and it's because they were more bestial than the usual gothic kind. If the game features vampires, I hope they'll portray them in a similar manner, instead of the Underworld style.
 
Sounds awesome, really loved when the 1/2 breed spoke during the E3 trailer... it was chilling to know the beast was intelligent. I am very much looking forward to playing through this adventure. Can't wait to get my hands on their steampunk hardware and blast baddies.
 
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