One final observation from the UK: the bitterness I'm seeing isn't primarily race or class based, it's age based. Young people (quite rightly) are furious at the pensioners who voted to leave but will not have to live with the consequences. I would honestly not be surprised if we have riots again.
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Man wtf is Sanders doing? Not even mentioning Hillary, attacking the DNC relentlessly... dude, do you not see what is going on in front of you and in the world around you? SUSPEND YOUR FUCKING CAMPAIGN ALREADY.
Every time he does this shit he just makes it harder and harder for party unity. I swear he is on the brink of completely going off the rails. He has this increasingly perverse obsession with just relentlessly verbally beating on the DNC.
Seriously, what is happening to this world? Does anyone have common sense today? Like i legit cannot believe David Cameron basically put his entire's nation economy on the line to appease the extremist voices in his party. And NOW he is witnessing his nation, overnight, losing its status as the world's 5th largest economy and causing lots of instability in the global economy. What. a. fucking. moron. No doubt in my mind, Cameron might just go down in history as the worst PM in the UK ever.
Every time he does this shit he just makes it harder and harder for party unity. I swear he is on the brink of completely going off the rails. He has this increasingly perverse obsession with just relentlessly verbally beating on the DNC.
Seriously, what is happening to this world? Does anyone have common sense today? Like i legit cannot believe David Cameron basically put his entire's nation economy on the line to appease the extremist voices in his party. And NOW he is witnessing his nation, overnight, losing its status as the world's 5th largest economy and causing lots of instability in the global economy. What. a. fucking. moron. No doubt in my mind, Cameron might just go down in history as the worst PM in the UK ever.
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Looks like they're about to find out about all the FRAUD in the court system when they don't win there either.
I barely slept. I have no idea how I'm going to function today. David Cameron is resigning, so there's that. But... yeah best not to think about who'll be replacing him.
Or Scotland leaving the UK.
Or what will happen after that.
Best just to think about how far my dollars are going to go on flights to the UK and spending money while we are there this October.
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Sanders on MSNBC - saying he'll vote for Clinton in November.
What is wrong with him? One night he's a revolutionary the next day he's like eh in not gonna win btw i am voting for Hills lulz
This fucking guy
Did he say he will be voting for her or he'll vote for her "if she's the nominee"?
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That crowd gives me hope this morning. More and more, I am starting to think parliament is going to find a way to wriggle out of it. The good thing about democracies and referendums is that they are fickle. Give the public a few weeks to sit with the economic fallout and the prospect of the political dismemberment of the UK, and they'll all be relieved when parliament votes to remain.
Good question! He always leaves the possibility for "I didn't say that, I said if a, b, and c happens then I will do x!"
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"Will you vote for Hillary Clinton in November?"
"Yes".
He's fighting for influence in the direction the Democratic party.
So wait -- parliament can basically tell the Leave vote to get fucked?
The referendum is in no way legally binding. None whatsoever - parliament doesn't have to do anything with it, and can simply ignore it.
Of course that won't happen. It's unfortunately a pipe dream (like London staying in the EU).
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He said he would vote for her in November because he will do everything he can to stop Trump and that he can do math and realizes he won't be the nominee, but also reiterated that he's staying in the race because he's committed to influencing the Democratic Party's platform. When asked for clarification of if he plans to vote for Clinton in November anyway then why not drop out now in order to unify the party, he responded that "Why would I want to do that?", implying (though not directly saying) that he feels that if he were to drop out he wouldn't be able to influence the DNC's platform in any way and giving up on that is still unthinkable to him at the current time, while hand-waving any effects or personal responsibility for divisiveness in the Democratic party by his staying in.
Fake edit: They just flat-out asked him why couldn't he just drop-out and keep pushing for the reforms he wants at the same time and he just dodged the questions and just talked about negotiations being ongoing with the Clinton campaign and how important he feels his health care platform is, etc, in regard to that, stopping just short of putting the blame and responsibility on her, but not actually answering the actual question in any way. This guy...
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It's not necessarily about "picking" them. I'm not trying to be mean, but for both of them the problem is that what they're good at talking about has a very very limited scope. So whenever something out of that scope happens, they get swallowed in the news. Someone like Clinton does not have that problem.
Picking might not be the best word. But Trump 2.0 launched and got swallowed by the Democrats Sit In, maybe it is the universe telling them something
Fuck that. Do the right thing Parliament. Ignore Cameron's stupid political ploy. It's worth pissing off half the UK to keep the global market from going up in flames.
Like I said, limited scope. Do you think that Rubio would have been swallowed by the sit in?
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If Bernie stays in until the convention, he doesn't get a prime time speech.
He has a chance to make the speech of his life, or he can just keep whining and being ignored.
He has a chance to make the speech of his life, or he can just keep whining and being ignored.
If Ted Kennedy managed to get a speech I don't see how Bernie doesn't.
I mean many of his delegates will be there right?
not as much becuase he has the "lol what?" factor on his side
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If you don't drop out, you don't get a speech. That's the rule of the convention.
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The hell? That many people think that white people are discriminated against?
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You don't see why Ted Kennedy might get more concessions than Bernie Sanders?
I mean, I agree he'll get a speech because who cares. Let him have it. He's irrelevant. The rules, though, are that someone running for President is only entitled to a 10 minute speech that they can use to second their nomination or do whatever they want.
Adam drinking already. We need an intervention.
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Wait, Bernie's team thinks they get a say on VP? Are they insane?
Yes. They've always been insane.
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Just another arrow in the "Trump has no idea what he's talking about " quiver.
You have been following his campaign haven't you?
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Its probably to buy time before starting up negotiations with the EU. Its not a coincidence that EU leaders already said they want the UK to move swiftly with the negotiations.
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I only think they would do that once public opinion in favor of "leave" has cratered. Given that this is apparently a two-year process, with lots of high-profile negative economic consequences and the prospect of the UK being ohysicslly dismembered, I think they are going to have plenty of opportunity and plenty of cover to kill it at some point. I even wonder if that's why Cameron scheduled his resignation for October: so that he can kill it and take the hit since he's a dead man walking anyway.
Ted refused to support Carter for as long as humanly possible.
Ted did more harm to the Democratic party that year than anything Bernie has or could do aside from endorsing Trump.
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I believe Ted is the reason the rule exists in the first place
Bernie gonna be on CNN next.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIG-yS7Brqs
Reiterates that he'll vote for Clinton. Fighting for a progressive platform. He REALLY wants free University, health care, the $15 minimum wage.
At least he's in it against Trump. Says his supporters wouldn't support Trump, a bigot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIG-yS7Brqs
Reiterates that he'll vote for Clinton. Fighting for a progressive platform. He REALLY wants free University, health care, the $15 minimum wage.
At least he's in it against Trump. Says his supporters wouldn't support Trump, a bigot.
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He was also a Kennedy.
Ted also had way more long term political capital, standing, and name recognition going into an election with a weak canidate.
I just don't see the harm in letting him speak. By the time the election comes I don't think he will have the support that he did a month ago.
I think at this point he wants some party reform and to keep Hillary on the left with regards to the economy.
Honestly Sanders running around and asking for his free health care plan is so dumb. I know this is asking a lot, but read the room. He was there when Dems passed health care reform, he's seen how difficult it was, how much political capital was spent, how much they suffered and how often they've had to defend it. They're not going to do it all over again for some socialist's pie-in-the-skt fantasy plan where everyone's taxes go up in exchange for "free" health care. I don't think he realizes this because it seems he has a "my way is always right and everyone else is wrong" attitude and it's pretty annoying.
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