ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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Msft doesn't have to innovate in this category if it's oem and Xbox anywhere is the next evolution of the gaming market.
[Bloomberg] Sony Working on Handheld Console for PS5 Games to Rival Switch
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Loxus
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For anyone wondering, these are Sound Wave specs along with some other rumored next-gen APU specs.
Sound Wave (ARM-based)
• 2 × ARM P-Cores
• 4 × ARM E-Cores
• 4MB L3 cache
• 4 CU RDNA 3.5+
• 16MB MALL cache
• 4th Generation AI engine (XDNA 4?)
• 128-bit LPDDR5X-9600
• 16GB RAM
Bumblebee
• TSMC N3C
• 6-core Zen 6
• 2-core Zen 6c
• 2-core Zen 6 LP
• 2-4 CU RDNA 3.5+
• 128-bit LPDDR5X
Medusa Point Little
• TSMC N3P
• 2 or 4-core Zen 6
• 4-core Zen 6c
• 4 CU RDNA 3.5+
• 128-bit LPDDR5X
Medusa Point Big
• TSMC N3P
• 4-core Zen 6
• 8-core Zen 6c
• 2-core Zen 5 LP
• 8 CU RDNA 3.5+
• 128-bit LPDDR5X
Medusa Point (Chiplets)
- TSMC N2P CCD chiplet:
• 1 × 12-core Zen 6 chiplet
- TSMC N3P IOD chiplet:
• 2-core Zen 5 LP
• 16 CU RDNA 3.5+
Medusa Halo Little
• 24 CUs RDNA 5
• 128-bit LPDDR5 / 192-bit LPDDR6
Medusa Halo
- TSMC N2P CCD chiplets:
• 2 × 12-core Zen 6 chiplets
- TSMC N3P IOD chiplet:
• 2-core Zen 6 LP
• 48 CU RDNA 5
• 256-bit LPDDR5X / 384-bit LPDDR6
Sound Wave (ARM-based)
• 2 × ARM P-Cores
• 4 × ARM E-Cores
• 4MB L3 cache
• 4 CU RDNA 3.5+
• 16MB MALL cache
• 4th Generation AI engine (XDNA 4?)
• 128-bit LPDDR5X-9600
• 16GB RAM
Bumblebee
• TSMC N3C
• 6-core Zen 6
• 2-core Zen 6c
• 2-core Zen 6 LP
• 2-4 CU RDNA 3.5+
• 128-bit LPDDR5X
Medusa Point Little
• TSMC N3P
• 2 or 4-core Zen 6
• 4-core Zen 6c
• 4 CU RDNA 3.5+
• 128-bit LPDDR5X
Medusa Point Big
• TSMC N3P
• 4-core Zen 6
• 8-core Zen 6c
• 2-core Zen 5 LP
• 8 CU RDNA 3.5+
• 128-bit LPDDR5X
Medusa Point (Chiplets)
- TSMC N2P CCD chiplet:
• 1 × 12-core Zen 6 chiplet
- TSMC N3P IOD chiplet:
• 2-core Zen 5 LP
• 16 CU RDNA 3.5+
Medusa Halo Little
• 24 CUs RDNA 5
• 128-bit LPDDR5 / 192-bit LPDDR6
Medusa Halo
- TSMC N2P CCD chiplets:
• 2 × 12-core Zen 6 chiplets
- TSMC N3P IOD chiplet:
• 2-core Zen 6 LP
• 48 CU RDNA 5
• 256-bit LPDDR5X / 384-bit LPDDR6
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Gambit2483
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Sony is so desperate they might just do it (i.e. they're getting murdered in Japan). It's starting to remind me of the Playstation Move all over again...
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Dorago
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If they could get the PSP and Vita libraries working on it it would be great.
PS3 too, the system is from 2006 for pete's sake.
Will they do the Sony thing and have an expensive, not universally compatible solution for expanded storage though?
'Cause even the Switch which charges out the butt for everything uses regular Micro SD cards.
PS3 too, the system is from 2006 for pete's sake.
Will they do the Sony thing and have an expensive, not universally compatible solution for expanded storage though?
'Cause even the Switch which charges out the butt for everything uses regular Micro SD cards.
mayham2199
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I think the issue is supporting it and frankly no platform holder should be making hardware that requires them to solely support it. If Vita failed simply because Sony didn't support it then it was never going to make it. A handheld now will be much easier because they don't have to directly support it.
Desperate? This whole gen they being coasting because they have no real competition since Uncle Phil keeps shooting Xbox in both feet, that's why PS5 output is so lame outside of outliers like Astro, Helldivers 2 (not even mady in-house) and Housemarque doing the heavy lifting, as soon as GTAVI releases they probably won't bother launching games anymore, outside of the gaas trash they keep chasing and failing every time
BlackTron
Gold Member
>Begin early stages while competition is ready after an unbelievably languished wait
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Vita was effing awesome. I still have my day 1 3g model. Loved that thing. Same for psp.
BlackTron
Gold Member
Snark aside, it makes sense.
They pulled out of portables because well, they couldn't be arsed with handheld games. Now they can double dip the library like Nintendo.
If not that many people buy it because it's very expensive, they can just sell what they want to produce like Steam Deck. It doesn't need to validate its existence with heavy sales.
They pulled out of portables because well, they couldn't be arsed with handheld games. Now they can double dip the library like Nintendo.
If not that many people buy it because it's very expensive, they can just sell what they want to produce like Steam Deck. It doesn't need to validate its existence with heavy sales.
Gambit2483
Member
I meant "desperate" as in the Japanese market. Check my edited post. Yes, in US they are in a very different situation.Desperate? This whole gen they being coasting because they have no real competition since Uncle Phil keeps shooting Xbox in both feet, that's why PS5 output is so lame outside of outliers like Astro, Helldivers 2 (not even mady in-house) and Housemarque doing the heavy lifting, as soon as GTAVI releases they probably won't bother launching games anymore, outside of the gaas trash they keep chasing and failing every time
Unknown?
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I'm sure they'd like to do better than 9-10 million in Japan but that would require a handheld. Japan doesn't care for home consoles much. That ended with PS2.
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Loxus
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I for one hope their not making one version of games, if not the handheld would hold back the PS6 potential.I like my portal.
Just make SURE you do like Nintendo and only make one version of the game for all consoles. Don't get caught in the trap of making exclusives for your handheld that don't play on your console.
SweetTooth
Banned
I sense fear in your voice. I understand not wanting a direct competition with Sony with its all might...never ended well for Nintendo lol
Gambit2483
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Seriously...you are a parody account, yes....yes?
belteshazzar
Member
99.9% of my games for PS4/5 are physical, so I think this would be pointless for me. I really don't think they will add a 4k bluray drive to their portable, lol. I also mostly refuse to buy digital for consoles. Additionally, this generation I've kinda dropped off caring about new PS "exclusive" releases because they are also releasing their games on PC. Sure, I would have to wait a year plus or whatever for it to be released on PC, but since I rarely play games on launch day anymore it hardly makes a difference for me at all. I do wish everyone had transitioned to flash storage like Nintendo did. It's way better than optical media both because of longevity (both for the console and the game itself) and portability.
SweetTooth
Banned
Why.. should I only praise Nintendo for you to like me?
nial
Member
The handheld market (i.e. Switch) is bigger than just Japan. Though SCE had already previously done motion gaming R&D before PS Move, just like they had already done handheld R&D before this new one.
Returnal sold >500K units in two months while God of War Ragnarok and Spider-Man 2 broke sales records for PlayStation Studios. Sure, I'm the first one to say that sales don't reflect quality, but these can reflect that the market doesn't exactly agree with your opinion of them coasting.Desperate? This whole gen they being coasting because they have no real competition since Uncle Phil keeps shooting Xbox in both feet, that's why PS5 output is so lame outside of outliers like Astro, Helldivers 2 (not even mady in-house) and Housemarque doing the heavy lifting, as soon as GTAVI releases they probably won't bother launching games anymore, outside of the gaas trash they keep chasing and failing every time
Gran Turismo 7 is on track of being the best selling game in the series.
It has a big chance of coming out in 2027.
Japanese third-party, AA and indie developers won't have any reason to not support it, while SIE would most likely establish a policy internally at PlayStation Studios to always support the hardware as it looks like it's launching as part of the PlayStation 6 family.
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Gambit2483
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Absolutely not. You just say some of the wildest, off-the-wall shit sometimes...hard for me to take you seriously, sometimes. That's all.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i think at this point, its safe to assume that will be irrelevant
SweetTooth
Banned
I stated nothing but facts, people are just ultra sensitive these days.
Deerock71
Member
The same year Ghost of Yotei and Death Standing 2 are releasing...also, at least two more Insomniac games due this gen, next year Saros already announced, Intergalactic, and very likely a couple more big games from Santa Monica and other PS Studios. So what are you talking about?Desperate? This whole gen they being coasting because they have no real competition since Uncle Phil keeps shooting Xbox in both feet, that's why PS5 output is so lame outside of outliers like Astro, Helldivers 2 (not even mady in-house) and Housemarque doing the heavy lifting, as soon as GTAVI releases they probably won't bother launching games anymore, outside of the gaas trash they keep chasing and failing every time
GaaS they keep failing everytime...Concord failed, what else? everytime, what a joke.
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Loxus
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That's because all the gen added was Ray Tracing. When you really look at this gen, it's mostly graphics oriented with different pre-sets.
There are no real leaps in terms of physics, destructible environments, collision detection, AI behavior and interactions, number of NPC on screen, gameplay mechanics, etc.
Which I hope the PS6 is all about.
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ChorizoPicozo
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MGS3 a PS2 game has way better Enemy behavior than 99% of all the games afterward, probably except MGSV.
Tears of the Kingdom is basically a physics based sandbox. Switch Game
isn't Red Faction one the prime examples of destructible environments? a PS2 game
AssCreed Unity was one of the most ambitious regarding NPCs on screen. PS4 game
And we can make a list of gameplay mechanics and systems that would feel mindblowing for "Next-Gen" (Bullet Time, Portal Gun, Nemesis system etc.)
It is not a question of hardware specs or its capabilities; it is a question of what game devs choose to focus on.
Loxus
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Now picture 6-8× leaps in everything you stated and ask yourself if a handheld would be capable.
I'm looking forward for the comeback of PSP. But I hope it also works like PS portal, were it can be a controller and streaming device of PS console or standalone streaming device, but can be standalone portable gaming console.
The key to PSP success is exclusives, just like what Nintendo has been doing, that is why Nintendo handheld are successful. Both PS console and portable must have exclusives.
The key to PSP success is exclusives, just like what Nintendo has been doing, that is why Nintendo handheld are successful. Both PS console and portable must have exclusives.
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ChorizoPicozo
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Better yet, ask yourself why no iteration or widespread implementation/adoption has become some kind of standard since those examples, even on much more capable hardware?
Closer
Member
Never ended well for Nintendo except for all the time it ended well.
I'm not convinced Sony lost their maketshare in the handheld market. I'm sure Sony die hards are gonna buy their new handheld if they ever make one. At least we can bet the hardware is gonna be good, just support that's not set on stone.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Vita means life.
Remember when the public was so hopeful for the Vita back then, until it died so horribly Sony quit the handheld industry
The PlayStation Vita Is Set to Succeed - IGN
With the Nintendo 3DS languishing and touch devices unable to play core games competently, Vita is set to storm the hardcore market.
Wilhelm_85
Gold Member
Why? You would rather have the old PS4 exclusives than Nintendo games?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
ChatGPT says yes. And who would know better than a computer?
Meh. I could've reworded the while thing to be my own but I didn't.
The only only thing chatgpt didn't get right was the ram bandwidth. I suspected much from the start but still asked the forum for input (there's nothing in the horizon that will improve lpddr in a drastic way). I was surprised people think I'm claiming chatgpt is right.
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It should be branded as something like PS6 go or something. PS6 should be in the name for people to understand that all PS6 games will come to it. And I hope that's Sony's intention.
Least common denominator for Sony would be this machine. Looking at how scalable games can be, I'm not worried a bit.
Donkusei
Member
Why? Switch 2 is more powerful than PS4 anyway. Very good build quality, good features, hybrid (you can play on TV OOTB) and you get Nintendo first-party exclusives (and third-party exclusives).
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
portables is the futures my freinds consoles are dinsores I would buy DAY 0
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
People continuously want to ignore that and the reality is its because they don't want Sony to come back into the handheld space and provide additional competition for Nintendo.
I think Sony has a larger challenge on their hands though in that their pricing is just too damned high for real market penetration. I also hope the analog sticks on a new handheld are better than the portal.
Physiognomonics
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Vita hardware was great. The problem was the lack of games and support from Sony, and those memory cards. But Cerny perfectly designed the hardware part. I have great hopes for this if they understand it must be easily run PS5 games (and all PS4 games obviously).
existensmaximum
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Me after trusting Sony and buying both the Vita and the PSVR2:
Seomel
Member
What a fucking waste of resources. These things should be left for pc handhelds, playstation handheld will again be some locked system device only to play your ps5(maybe ps4 and classics), but whats the point. Portal already does streaming so well and pc handhelds are a thing gor same remote play and native pc titles including their ports. Its just gonna be inferior companion to ps6
Donkusei
Member
I think that nobody cares about it, Sony tried with two devices already and nothing happened for Nintendo. DS and 3DS weren't even their main console back in the day (so they couldn't release all their games on it).
Competition is always good, but... Tbh Switch is just too strong (the concept, the brand, the games). I don't think that there would be any effect on the sales if Sony releases a new handheld.
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Boy bawang
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Waste of resources. The switch 2 is the best you can hope at that price currently, and Nintendo benefits from Nvidia and the huge equalizer that is dlss.
A portable PS5 could, I guess, release in 3-4 years, when the PS5 would be on it's way out; but who would ask for this, honestly?
A portable PS5 could, I guess, release in 3-4 years, when the PS5 would be on it's way out; but who would ask for this, honestly?
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