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[Rollo Tomasi]

Will we see the return of the MIDA as part of the Y1 Exotics that are making a comeback? I hope so.

 

[Number45]

Interesting that while PRs are top of the pile for crucible kills, Zhalo is currently the most popular gun.

I picked up the quest to get AR kills in crucible the other day and used the Zhalo... it's actually pretty good, particularly if the enemy are tightly grouped.

I'm really curious how the First Curse will be. Don't have a TLW so can't get one myself.

You don't need TLW for The First Curse (I have the The First Curse, but I still haven't moved the quest that needs TLW (is that for The Chaperon?)). You'll get a terrible HC from the Gunsmith (Imprecation, which is apparently also getting buffed now that I've done the quest) which you need to get precision kills with in the crucible and PvE (and infuse it up to I think 260).

 

[Agent_Tiro]

Bungie are blind if they can't see how op snipers have become. With that huge amount of aim assist they got, the bullets fired have more tracking than Truth rocket.

Know this is old now. But in IB last night I fired a sniper shot. Towards the head of a warlock. Who then blinked. The trail of the round actually jumped to where the blink animation ended and gave me a body shot.

 

[EL CUCO]

Rubenov with an avi?

Destiny content must really be wearing thin

Spoiler

Rick Grimes FTW

 

[Twilight Gap]

it's actually kind of amusing.

since PRs are getting a slight nerf and snipers are staying the same, we will definitely see more scouts to combat them.

Sniper + Hand Cannon
Auto + Fusion Rifle
Scout and Scout + Sidearm

 

[Number45]

Know this is old now. But in IB last night I fired a sniper shot. Towards the head of a warlock. Who then blinked. The trail of the round actually jumped to where the blink animation ended and gave me a body shot.

Surely this is just the game calculating that it would have been a hit when the shot was first fired and making the adjustment necessary? Should you be able to dodge (blink or otherwise) an already fired shot from a high velocity rifle?

it's actually kind of amusing.

since PRs are getting a slight nerf and snipers are staying the same, we will definitely see more scouts to combat them.

Sniper + Hand Cannon
Scout + Fusion Rifle
Pulse + Sidearm

All I have in my special slots are vendor 1KYS, Eirene RR4 and a Telesto - I don't care for anything else in that slot in terms of enjoying using them. I'd be more than happy to be able to use the Telesto more in PvP, it's a lot of fun to use.

 

[Future PhaZe]

I wonder if this means Telesto was essentially nerfed--it already had a very fast charge rate

 

[TheAquaticApe]

Don't know yet depending on how work goes, right now planning to do 1 run during lunch (reset). In other matters, these are the weapons that will dominate in the upcoming balance patch, untested still of course:

- Eyesluna: It's pretty good right now, but with the ADS fix, the fact that it's basically Hawkmoon without the lucky bullets, and Hawkmoon getting a range nerf, this hand cannon will be very powerful.

- Tlaloc: A beast of a scout (with signature perc on), but sometimes got outgunnned by pulses. With pulse nerf incoming, this weapon will dominate everything.

- Zhalos supercell: Good right now, and getting a 7% damage buff? Yes please.


RIP all shotguns. These are getting ABSOLUTELY destroyed. You will see some fancy Chaperone users still but with the nerf to their movement speed and ADS speed (along with range nerf), these people will often be at a disadvantage.

With snipers AA untouched, and them getting a range buff, I expext the game to become little more than long distance sniping battles over and over. Really saddened by this tbh.

Edit: Forgot to mention, but if MIDA makes a Year 2 comeback in December drop everything and get this!

This Just thinking abou-...*vomits*

 

[X-Frame]

Why is Zhalo popular in PvP now and not the Monte Carlo? Aren't they the same archetype?

 

[noomi]

If MIDA returns in Year 2 with no nerfs then damn that thing is going to wreck, especially with all the bonuses it provides.

And if TLW is maybe 50% of the way to where it was pre-2.0 then it also could be a great deadly close-quarters gun again. Here's to hoping because those shotgun nerfs look brutal.

I'm really hoping they bring the MIDA into year 2, that weapon is just fun as hell to use.

Why is Zhalo popular in PvP now and not the Monte Carlo? Aren't they the same archetype?

Zhalo's impact is decent, and the flinch it causes on the enemy your shooting makes it hard to fight back against. It's going to be even better.

I fully expect to see the Suros Regime become a beast in PvP again. Also Red Spectre could be very promising after the AR buffs.

 

[Future PhaZe]

This is kind of a stealth buff to Striker Titan in some ways as well.

 

[Iceman829]

This is kind of a stealth buff to Striker Titan in some ways as well.

Just need Armamentarium for those x2 lightning grenades

 

[Daemul]

I'm surprised they're preemptively nerfing Hawkmoon whilst leaving Ace of Spades alone.

 

[Nuszka]

Kinda glad that this patch releases in december, would be so torn if it was coming out sooner. Next week it will be all about Old Hunters.

 

[noomi]

I'm surprised they're preemptively nerfing Hawkmoon whilst leaving Ace of Spades alone.

Same here, it didn't feel like the Hawkmoon needed to be nerfed any further :/

 

[Kor of Memory]

This is kind of a stealth buff to Striker Titan in some ways as well.

What ways?

 

[TheAquaticApe]

Also, someone mentioned last night(Frenden?Macello?) Bungie released some stats about Sunbreakers and Stormcallers? Apparently Stormcallers get more kills with their supers? If that's true, what version of Destiny is Bungie playing?

When you hear a stormcaller do you run? No, because they can be 1HKO with a super, sniper, and or focus fired. Heck, you can even trade 1v1 with a good shotgun on them.

When you hear a sunbreak do you run? Yes. Unless you're a nightstalker or defender titan.

Edit: Not to mention the sheer mobility a Titan has over a Warlock.

 

[mehrmantrout]

I'm surprised they're preemptively nerfing Hawkmoon whilst leaving Ace of Spades alone.

Bungies PvP testers kept getting killed by Hawkmoon, no one uses the ace of spades

 

[Future PhaZe]

What ways?

If shotguns start getting thrown in the bushes then it's going to be a lot easier to safely close distance for FoH and shoulder charges

 

[Stephen_drewz]

Finding clash much more stressful then control for IB. At least in Control you can chill out a bit and just focus on defending a point. Clash is just run around like crazy the entire time with enemies spawning all over the place, constantly coming up behind you etc.

 

[noomi]

Kinda glad that this patch releases in december, would be so torn if it was coming out sooner. Next week it will be all about Old Hunters.

Downloaded the patch this morning, I AM READY.

Spoiler

to get owned again by all the bosses and impossible challenges

I'm going to need you to bring me up to speed on what I've missed over the past few patches, your my go-to Bloodborne guy haha.

Either way, I'm looking at a very busy weekend, will try to come on Sunday if possible.

 

[Twilight Gap]

I'm surprised they're preemptively nerfing Hawkmoon whilst leaving Ace of Spades alone.

3sk

 

[Daemul]

Bungies PvP testers kept getting killed by Hawkmoon, no one uses the ace of spades

That's the upside of being a class exclusive weapon which people need to grind reputation to be able to get, so few people have you that you can sneak under the radar.

 

[DrDrizzay101]

Nah, the bet was not about nerfing the No-knight strat (imo the Double Bubble Malice strat is way superior too), it was about it being impossible to sherpa absolute complete newbies through KF HM. You'd get two fellow sherpa's of your choice and the guy that placed the bet would supply three of the biggest idiots around and claimed it'd be impossible to beat KF HM (Oryx). If I remember all that correctly. I feel i've beaten that bet more than several times already on my own

Spoiler

(on a near weekly basis, hi Mr-S, drizzle & Cloud )

What bet did you place lol?

haha I bet that they would somehow patch the No Knight strat on Oryx to make it harder/not possible and force people to deal directly with the Knights. I said I'd dismantle my Atheon's Epilogue if I was wrong (sure it sucks, but it was my very first raid drop and has the most sentimental value). That ship has clearly sailed so my precious AE isn't long for the world.

For the record I never said they should nerf it or that I wanted them to, I never cared honestly. It just felt like one of those raid encounter strats they would deem "not working as intended" and add something silly to remove it (i.e. kill volumes on hobgoblin platforms for Templar). Good to see they're moving on from stuff like that.

 

[Daemul]

3sk

Ah yes thats true. Hawkmoon's range nerf means AoS will be the best handcannon though.

 

[Twilight Gap]

Ah yes thats true. Hawkmoon's range nerf means AoS will be the best handcannon though.

Good. It's perfectly balanced.

 

[Daemul]

Good. It's perfectly balanced.

Agreed, I love it. Only weapon I use in PvE, even with the current state of HC's, and now it's going to be even better.

 

[X-Frame]

Zhalo's impact is decent, and the flinch it causes on the enemy your shooting makes it hard to fight back against. It's going to be even better.

I fully expect to see the Suros Regime become a beast in PvP again. Also Red Spectre could be very promising after the AR buffs.

Thanks! But why specifically is Zhalo popular and not Monte Carlo? They're both the same archetype so shouldn't they have similar damage and flinch?

If shotguns start getting thrown in the bushes then it's going to be a lot easier to safely close distance for FoH and shoulder charges

This is what I suspect and hope too! In theory, reducing handling, ADS, and movement speed for shotguns should increase the chances of landing a successful Shoulder Charge.

Just fly around with a MIDA and charge everyone!

 

[Darknyss09]

Also, someone mentioned last night(Frenden?Macello?) Bungie released some stats about Sunbreakers and Stormcallers? Apparently Stormcallers get more kills with their supers? If that's true, what version of Destiny is Bungie playing?

When you hear a stormcaller do you run? No, because they can be 1HKO with a super, sniper, and or focus fired. Heck, you can even trade 1v1 with a good shotgun on them.

When you hear a sunbreak do you run? Yes. Unless you're a nightstalker or defender titan.

Edit: Not to mention the sheer mobility a Titan has over a Warlock.

Meant to post about this yesterday. I've been playing IB as a Stormcaller and the survivability difference between that and a Sunbreaker are insane.

I'd like to see stats on the percentage of Sunbreakers that survive throughout their entire super vs Stormcallers. SC is pretty much a kamikaze super with its limited range/mobility. I'm ok with that but it doesnt make sense that Sunbros become these unstoppable machines in comparison.

Thankfully, it looks like they might be addressed in December:

This is not the last you’ll hear from the Design Team before December. Sage has been thinking a lot about Titans, and he’ll share some thoughts on the matter before the update goes live.

 

[Kor of Memory]

Also, someone mentioned last night(Frenden?Macello?) Bungie released some stats about Sunbreakers and Stormcallers? Apparently Stormcallers get more kills with their supers? If that's true, what version of Destiny is Bungie playing?

When you hear a stormcaller do you run? No, because they can be 1HKO with a super, sniper, and or focus fired. Heck, you can even trade 1v1 with a good shotgun on them.

When you hear a sunbreak do you run? Yes. Unless you're a nightstalker or defender titan.

Edit: Not to mention the sheer mobility a Titan has over a Warlock.

I could actually believe this, having used both recently.

When I pop a sunbreaker, people either run and hide, or team-fire me and it's not very often I get a multi kill. I think I'm averaging two kills with my hammer.

With my FoH I save it until I know I'll get more than one kill with it, because it needs to be worth it to me. So I'm probably averaging 2.5-3 kills per FoH.

That said, I bet Trials really fucks up those numbers. People got really good at hiding from a Hammer in trails to the point that I was basically popping a hammer to scare away the other team so I could safely rez.

 

[Unstable]

The auto rifle meta is coming back with a vengeance.

Time to dust off my Suros.

Spoiler

We're all going to be using Scouts aren't we?

 

[Jafku]

Fuuuuuu. Bought two legacy special engrams hoping for invective. Dreg's Promise and Lord of Wolves. Damnit

 

[Lnkn52]

The auto rifle meta is coming back with a vengeance.

Time to dust off my Suros.

Spoiler

We're all going to be using Scouts aren't we?

You mean

Time to dust off my Destiny.

 

[Future PhaZe]

I don't think the data supports a Sunbreaker nerf. It was behind gunslinger in total effectiveness during iron banner stats they released not long ago.

It would help a lot to give sunbreakers incentive to go away from cauterize or stoke the forge, because nothing else is viable.

 

[ipitythafool32]

Hate mail is hilarious .. I'm cruising right along running IB solo, trying different guns and really not doing to great by my own admissions. When I get some hate mail telling me to "get my shitty sniper and leave" from a teammate that was on my team when we lost.

So I don't say anything .. The next 4 matches I do much better and really give it to him. Then send a little message of my own

All the excuses in the world start coming out.. My controller died 1 game.. My overall KD is better .. I have this many kills with my Titan blah blah blah

Some people really are delusional

 

[Unstable]

You mean

Time to dust off my Destiny.

I've dusted my Destiny every Tuesday morning thank you very much.

 

[noomi]

Thanks! But why specifically is Zhalo popular and not Monte Carlo? They're both the same archetype so shouldn't they have similar damage and flinch?

Really not sure actually...I don't believe it has the same flinch effect as the zhalo though. The Monte Carlo is a very fun and unique weapon to use, especially for throwing knives and warlock melee.

Either way both weapons should be even better with these buffs

 

[Twilight Gap]

I've dusted my Destiny every Tuesday morning thank you very much.

lewd

 

[Kyoufu]

If the new meta will be ARs then it'll be a showdown between Suros and Zhalo.

Personally I'm rooting for Zhalo.

 

[GutZ31]

The auto rifle meta is coming back with a vengeance.

Time to dust off my Suros.

Spoiler

We're all going to be using Scouts aren't we?

Will first force myself to use hand cannons again, hoping they are usable.
Scouts do seem like they will be the winners of this patch though.

 

[Twilight Gap]

If the new meta will be ARs

 

[noomi]

If the new meta will be ARs then it'll be a showdown between Suros and Zhalo.

Personally I'm rooting for Zhalo.

I'm thinking AR's and Scouts will be real good to use. Scout rifles are already in a pretty good place, and now with pulses getting nerfed, I feeling like people will start using them more and more.

 

[Lnkn52]

I've dusted my Destiny every Tuesday morning thank you very much.

 

[TheAquaticApe]

I've dusted my Destiny every Tuesday morning thank you very much.

 

[flkraven]

I understand pulses are being nerfed and so are shotties, but I don't understand anything else. So Snipers are actually better now? Who's idea was that? Also, what the fuck is going on with Fabian Strategy?

 

[EL CUCO]

I might as well grab me a Y2 Last Word from the kiosk and start infusing it now since the meta will be TLW + Sniper

 

[Twilight Gap]

I understand pulses are being nerfed and so are shotties, but I don't understand anything else. So Snipers are actually better now? Who's idea was that? Also, what the fuck is going on with Fabian Strategy?

Autos got better
Sidearms equip and stow faster
Fusion Rifles and Hand Cannons are better when ADSd
Snipers more consistent (My 1000 aim bot sometimes didn't kill people across Exodus Blue for instance)

 

[Lnkn52]

I might as well grab me a Y2 Last Word from the kiosk and start infusing it now since the meta will be TLW + Sniper

 

[Rubenov]

I understand pulses are being nerfed and so are shotties, but I don't understand anything else. So Snipers are actually better now? Who's idea was that? Also, what the fuck is going on with Fabian Strategy?

ARs are getting a significant buff at the same time pulse rifles are getting a sizable nerf. Meta will shift again for the next 3 months.

 

[Deku Tree]

I might as well grab me a Y2 Last Word from the kiosk and start infusing it now since the meta will be TLW + Sniper

Had enough of Blops3 already? Tired of 60 fps?