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[Jex]

That Secret shuffle doesn't make much sense to me. If you're going to move kky into a support role and then kick a support from the team, kick kky. n0tail was easily one of their strongest and most reliable players, in many games I felt like he was their best player.

I know that obviously it's not that simple, but I feel their team will be much weaker without him.

 

[SamVimes]

That Secret shuffle doesn't make much sense to me. If you're going to move kky into a support role and then kick a support from the team, kick kky. n0tail was easily one of their strongest and most reliable players, in many games I felt like he was their best player.

Speculating is useless, there might be a multitude of reasons that are not noticeable to anyone looking from the outside.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

As much as I love Notail (who doesnt) Secret now has who is arguably the best player in professional Dota 2.

So not a bad swap.

So, is Sing going to alliance? They just need another support then. EGM back to Alliance? Or n0tail?

....wasn't Sing-Sing with Kelly in Singapore and Malaysia this week? So yeah. Maybe.

 

[Wok]

For low MMR (2k-ish), this Juggernaut build order seems to work:

PMS > MoM > Treads > HyperStone > Aghanim > Manta > Mjollnir > Butterfly

I build Manta before Aghanim to counter a NightStalker.

This is the opponent I copied it from:

He farmed a lot faster than I did.

 

[TheCrow]

So, is Sing going to alliance? They just need another support then. EGM back to Alliance? Or n0tail?

I believe they have been scrimming with loda, bulldog, akke, pajkat, and sing sing. I guess sing will be the 4.

 

[Raytow]

Poor n0tail, he was of the best players in secret

And with that and RTZ I just don't give a crap about secret, will follow perfect flower to whatever team he ends up.

 

[Madouu]

Vici vs HGT (zsmj) starting, cast by LD & WinteR: bts

 

[Jex]

For low MMR (2k-ish), this Juggernaut build order seems to work:

PMS > MoM > Treads > HyperStone > Aghanim > Manta > Mjollnir > Butterfly

I build Manta before Aghanim to counter a NightStalker.

This is the opponent I copied it from:

He farmed a lot faster than I did.

I've only played a handful of games on Juggernaut in a similar skill bracket but I really don't see the advantage in picking up a full Manta (or even getting a Manta at all unless you need to break silence) and Hyperstone before acquiring an Aghs. I try to get my Aghs somewhere around the 20-25 minute mark so that I can have the most game impact before the opponents carriers even have a chance to get online. The low cooldown and increased jumps should allow you to solo kill anyone on their team every couple of minutes and from there you can snowball.

 

[Nymerio]

....wasn't Sing-Sing with Kelly in Singapore and Malaysia this week? So yeah. Maybe.

Yeah, that's why I think he may be going to alliance.

I believe they have been scrimming with loda, bulldog, akke, pajkat, and sing sing. I guess sing will be the 4.

Pajkat would be mid?

 

[MurkyZebra2417]

God, this is a terrible shuffle. c9 are the big losers here, cant see secrets synergy. kky now a support? nice...seems people are being played out of (their favoured) position just to make a super team.

Poor n0tail, he was of the best players in secret

stilll...at least Aladdin found Jasmine...

also:

Spoiler

Na`vi ;_;

While I agree that I don't really like the shuffle, Kuro played support for years and Carry for like 6 months now? With a carry like RTZ I bet Puppey and Kuro can do wonders as supports.

n0tail out sucks, I don't really like RTZ or Zai... EG always had a bad attitude for me.

Wonder how Na'vi will end up.


edit: Also I think that some pro players said that you need a team where you can have mutliple people on the same role to shuffle around depending on picks/the enemy team. Maybe that is what Secret is going for.

 

[Monochromaticx]

I think kuro might be solo offlane, s4 mid, rtz carry and zai and ppy suppprts. Makes more sense to me than kuro support.

 

[evlcookie]

Is there a reason for MoM on jug?

I've been playing jug and wr almost exclusively for the past week. My jug build tends to start with shield, tango, boots of agil, 2x gg branches. If I can get the bounty rune at the start I finish the Poor mans shield.

From there it's Phase > either Aghs or Yasha > S&Y. Then it's a mix of stuff, Sometimes butterfly, Sometimes i've been leaning towards basher into abys.

Side question, Is BF of any use for Jug during his ult? Or is it worthless unless you're aim is to farm the jungle early on?

 

[TheCrow]

Pajkat would be mid?

Yeah, unless sing takes mid.

I think kuro might be solo offlane, s4 mid, rtz carry and zai and ppy suppprts. Makes more sense to me than kuro support.

Zai offlane since thats where he played in hon. Plus kuro and puppy support duo have history together.

 

[Monochromaticx]

IO out farming the black^ antimage...ouch

 

[StrongArmSteady]

edit: Also I think that some pro players said that you need a team where you can have mutliple people on the same role to shuffle around depending on picks/the enemy team. Maybe that is what Secret is going for.

Because that worked out well for Na`Vi in ti4.... having a bigger hero pool might help.

 

[Radec]

While I agree that I don't really like the shuffle, Kuro played support for years and Carry for like 6 months now? With a carry like RTZ I bet Puppey and Kuro can do wonders as supports.

n0tail out sucks, I don't really like RTZ or Zai... EG always had a bad attitude for me.

Wonder how Na'vi will end up.


edit: Also I think that some pro players said that you need a team where you can have mutliple people on the same role to shuffle around depending on picks/the enemy team. Maybe that is what Secret is going for.

Kuro played carry for years during dota 1 days.

 

[Hylian7]

6 game losing streak. This is fucking great.

 

[Kard8p3]

6 game losing streak. This is fucking great.

give into the hate

let it consume u

become one with the darkness

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

Why does KKY move and not S4?

 

[StrongArmSteady]

Why does KKY move and not S4?

Because he is a one trick pony? i like how the best mid of 2014 will be playing safelane.

 

[Hylian7]

give into the hate

let it consume u

become one with the darkness

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1134078581

"HEY GUYS, I'M JUGGERNAUT, LET ME SPIN AND SHAKE MY FIST AT TINY AT 35 MINUTES BECAUSE THAT'S TOTES GONNA WORK BETTER THAN JUST RIGHT CLICKING HIM!"

 

[Raytow]

I got a stupid PA immortal, I'll trade for any other DAC immortal if anyone is interested.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

Because he is a one trick pony? i like how the best mid of 2014 will be playing safelane.

Zai offlanes?

 

[TheCrow]

Zai offlanes?

Yep.

 

[Hylian7]

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1134305205

Don't even get me started on the worst Broodmother ever.

Let me just paint a picture that is only the beginning of her problems.

 

[Kard8p3]

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1134305205

Don't even get me started on the worst Broodmother ever.

Let me just paint a picture that is only the beginning of her problems.

her problem was no radiance

 

[Madouu]

no dagon no win

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

no support helping with the sentry purchases. Selfish Hylian.

 

[Kard8p3]

omg my friend got godlen hookblade i am jelly

Edit rofl he was wrong; just normal hookblade

 

[FlutterPuffs]

Jakiro is amazing in ranked.

 

[Madouu]

report black

edit: report icy

 

[Monochromaticx]

edit: report icy

+1 lol
That ravage bot lane was too damn well timed.

 

[kvk1]

Those were some FACE Chronos.

 

[FACE]

Those were some FACE Chronos.

?

My chronos are good.

You can criticize me for picking Void when it doesn't make any sense to pick him, but I usually don't whiff chronos.

 

[LiQuid!]

Axe seemed like a really good pick against PL but it was actually so bad. Never died quicker as Axe than I did after calling a pile of diffusal illusions.

 

[kvk1]

?

My chronos are good.

Maybe I'm thinking of another terrible FV player.

You can criticize me for picking Void when it doesn't make any sense to pick him, but I usually don't whiff chronos.

I'm just playing. I vaguely remember playing with your offlane FV like mooooonths ago.

 

[kvk1]

What's happening.

 

[Monochromaticx]

What's happening.

I think sandking bot is standing in for VG.

 

[kvk1]

I think sandking bot is standing in for VG.

At least it's not Tiny bot.

50 minute game Arcane Boots and Magic Stick.

Easy.

 

[Nymerio]

They should've gotten viper bot as standin. He'd wreck faces.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

Axe seemed like a really good pick against PL but it was actually so bad. Never died quicker as Axe than I did after calling a pile of diffusal illusions.

maelstrom axe might have worked. BibleThump

 

[NBtoaster]

It's so nice csing as Jugg. Can consistently be around 60lh 30d by 10 minutes. dat animation

 

[FACE]

It's so nice csing as Jugg. Can consistently be around 60lh 30d by 10 minutes. dat animation

Good damage, good BAT.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

COME ON 3K.

3.5k will be a long crawl though.

 

[FACE]

At least it's not Tiny bot.

50 minute game Arcane Boots and Magic Stick.

Easy.

If you're lucky he has a blink dagger.

 

[kvk1]

If you're lucky he has a blink dagger.

Which he'll use to jump into a 1v5 situation and get gibbed.

 

[Shorty11857]

https://twitter.com/TobiWanDOTA/status/550943015775514624

Wonder if this has anything to do with Secret, if so I honestly think it's hilarious that the team people think are pushing for a player's union are the ones who would break contracts

 

[Demoli]

Good couple of days

 

[JambiBum]

https://twitter.com/TobiWanDOTA/status/550943015775514624

Wonder if this has anything to do with Secret, if so I honestly think it's hilarious that the team people think are pushing for a player's union are the ones who would break contracts

Eh. Players get traded around in sports all the time, even with unions. It only seems different here because there are fewer top tier teams to root for.

 

[Shorty11857]

Eh. Players get traded around in sports all the time, even with unions. It only seems different here because there are fewer top tier teams to root for.

Well it doesn't sound like a trade the way that tweet is written, it sounds like the players just broke the contract and left