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[The Lamonster]

never forget

 

[BoboBrazil]

Some one should do a brain study on people that constantly watch 24 news. I wouldn't be shocked if a mild drug effect going on.

This is primarily what happens to older people after they retire. Makes them afraid of the world, angry, and depressed.

 

[Crocodile]

Then cite the WP article. CP is a notoriously unreliable source. As for your contention that the Trump train is driven largely by racism that's far too simplistic and doesn't take into account the changing mood among traditionally blue, working class voters as they see their jobs shipped overseas due to globalization. We're talking tens of millions here, they're not all racists. It's a similar phenomenon playing out in Europe where the far right is surging.

A) Democratic tax and social programs would do more to help that demographic than the standard Republican policies or Trump policies

B) Why is it that People of Color who are losing jobs to globalization are running for the hills from Trump/Republicans but White people who are losing jobs to globalization are running towards Trump/Republicans? Hmm? Can you answer that for me?

 

[Necrovex]

I use the NPR One app a fair amount. Just checking my usage, I listened to 10-15 hours of content last week and it used up about 80mb.

Perfect. Seems like I'll be listening to that over my Bluetooth speaker then. The joys of bedwetting with Gaf and other volunteer friends early in the peak morning!

 

[sazzy]

never forget

I see your Jeopardy...

I raise you... John Oliver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IwaQsFFKwM

 

[Manmademan]

Then cite the WP article.

here it is.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-widespread-theory-for-donald-trumps-success/

here's a video of krugman ALSO calling that theory bullshit

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/pau...-voters-have-economic-anxiety-its-about-race/

“Ultimately, it’s about race,” he told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour. “You cannot understand anything that’s happening in this election and US politics without seeing it as — unfortunately, a fairly large fraction of Americans who don’t like the fact that we’re becoming a multiracial, multicultural country.”

“They think that eats into their economic opportunity?” Amanpour asked.

“It eats into their identity,” said Krugman. “It’s really not about economics.”

go ahead, debate with krugman about it if you want.

As for your contention that the Trump train is driven largely by racism that's far too simplistic

no, it isn't. and Krugman is saying the same thing. This is not about economics, it's about identity and racial politics. The united states has ALWAYS had politics revolve largely around racial politics to an incredible degree- but white voters hate acknowledging that racism exists at all and will go out of their way to avoid talking about it whenever possible.

and doesn't take into account the changing mood among traditionally blue, working class voters as they see their jobs shipped overseas due to globalization.

That was the entire point of the survey. those things had no impact on trump support.

We're talking tens of millions here, they're not all racists

yes, yes they are. Racism isn't swastika tattoos and klan hoods. It's people who clutch their purses when they see black people coming down the street, or move out of school districts when minorities start moving in. Instiutional racism is a well known VERY ingrained thing, and there are HUNDREDS, not tens of millions of people in this country who are racist to the point where it affects their behavior.

It's a similar phenomenon playing out in Europe where the far right is surging.

US racial politics is absolutely nothing like europe. The civil war and its aftermath fucked politics and policy to an insane degree and we've never really recovered. The entire southern strategy was explicity ABOUT frightening white voters of blacks to the point where they would ignore their own self interests, using coded words and abstraction to do so:

 You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

Bottom line here is that Trump is hands down the most unqualified presidential candidate that has ever run in the history of the office. the man has no grasp of policy and is barely coherent when asked simple questions during a debate. he has a long history of open racism and sexual assault. What policies he HAS laid out are completely nonsensical and could never be implemented- economic, healthcare, immigration, or otherwise.

there is NO valid justification for voting for trump. NONE. But yet the usual suspects are quick to flock to him anyway and handwave away every single one of these things.

this is NOT an economic issue. This is about race, this is about identity.

 

[fantomena]

If Hilldawg loses, should I expect lots of "Fuck you Bernie!"?

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Then cite the WP article. CP is a notoriously unreliable source. As for your contention that the Trump train is driven largely by racism that's far too simplistic and doesn't take into account the changing mood among traditionally blue, working class voters as they see their jobs shipped overseas due to globalization. We're talking tens of millions here, they're not all racists. It's a similar phenomenon playing out in Europe where the far right is surging.

1. The single group that Trump does best with is white men over the age of 65. So people who are largely already out of the labor market. If the primary driver is economic and not cultural, how could that be?

2. US job growth has been steady, if not spectacular, for years now and median wages are finally going up. White unemployment is down to 4.3% right now. Unemployment claims are at multi-decade lows so outsourcing pretty much has to be one the decline. Given all those factors this anger should be decreasing and yet here we are.

 

[Diablos]

**** Jeb Bush, if he runs I will go crazy. I do not want to hear of another "President Bush" ever again. We had H.W., now we have W., and that's enough!

lol @ me. I'm now voting for another Clinton Pres.

I don't think either one is going to run. It's probably going to be Condi versus John Edwards. Call it a hunch.

Hahahahaaaaa

 

[thebloo]

Then cite the WP article. CP is a notoriously unreliable source. As for your contention that the Trump train is driven largely by racism that's far too simplistic and doesn't take into account the changing mood among traditionally blue, working class voters as they see their jobs shipped overseas due to globalization. We're talking tens of millions here, they're not all racists. It's a similar phenomenon playing out in Europe where the far right is surging.

That similar phenomenon in Europe? That's nationalism. Or do you think Europe was also affected by NAFTA? If people were really only anxious about economic factors, they would run towards socialism, since that's in theory an equaliser and a "no man left behind" philosophy.

But they're not. They're running towards wall builders, immigration stoppers, fascist oriented parties.

 

[HK-47]

If Hilldawg loses, should I expect lots of "Fuck you Bernie!"?

Yes.

 

[Already Torn]

wrap it up clintonailures

Cubs?

And I thought stocks were crashing because of Trump.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

lol @ me. I'm now voting for another Clinton Pres.

Isn't funny how now Jeb as the candidate would feel like a dream come true?

I wouldn't want him at all but I wouldn't be legit afraid of him. Same feelings I had about Romney.

 

[HK-47]

US racial politics is absolutely nothing like europe. The civil war and its aftermath fucked politics and policy to an insane degree and we've never really recovered.

Thanks Andrew Johnson.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

That similar phenomenon in Europe? That's nationalism. Or do you think Europe was also affected by NAFTA? If people were really only anxious about economic factors, they would run towards socialism, since that's in theory an equaliser and a "no man left behind" philosophy.

But they're not. They're running towards wall builders, immigration stoppers, fascist oriented parties.

Yup. Plenty of evidence that things like Brexit were motivated by racism/immigration, not economic issues.

And Trump is doing terribly with even white college educated men and especially women. He's thriving with non-college educated whites, and older whites not really in the job market anymore.

The economic angle makes no sense.

The reality is that the US is a deeply racist nation and he has given them a legitimate rallying cry once more.

 

[Slayven]

This is primarily what happens to older people after they retire. Makes them afraid of the world, angry, and depressed.

Shit that is how i feel when I watch it.

Except when Angela Rye, Bakari Sellers, Van Jones, and Ana Navarro are smacking fools.

Goodamn shame when Ana goes back to being a republican.

 

[HK-47]

Isn't funny how now Jeb as the candidate would feel like a dream come true?

I wouldn't want him at all but I wouldn't be legit afraid of him. Same feelings I had about Romney.

I wish the Republicans had someone sane like HW running, but they'd never make it through the primaries.

 

[ezrarh]

Isn't funny how now Jeb as the candidate would feel like a dream come true?

I wouldn't want him at all but I wouldn't be legit afraid of him. Same feelings I had about Romney.

It's funny how it's gotten to this point. If Hillary replaces Scalia and two other supreme court justices in her 4 year tenure, I wouldn't be afraid of Jeb or Mitt after seeing how close we've gotten to a guy like Trump..

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I know we've discouraged sleuthing for shit in the past, but I think this is legit a fun and fascinating GAF read from a decade ago.

Well It Looks Like Barack Obama Is Running For President

Stoney Mason used to be an interesting read, to say the least.

 

[Maxim726X]

Isn't funny how now Jeb as the candidate would feel like a dream come true?

I wouldn't want him at all but I wouldn't be legit afraid of him. Same feelings I had about Romney.

Bill Maher actually apologized the other night for demonizing people like Romney and both Bushes... He said that it wasn't warranted then, but it is now.

Of course, all of this will be forgotten in 4 years when the next election rolls around. Then it will be back to vilifying the candidate from the party you don't like.

 

[Plinko]

wrap it up clintonailures

Again, stocks are diving because Trump's chances are going up. No idea where he is getting this.

lol @ me. I'm now voting for another Clinton Pres.


Hahahahaaaaa

Agreed. I am incredibly stressed about Trump being a president. I'd have been ok with Jeb! I have disagreements with republicans policies. I have an outright refusal to accept racism, sexism, and hatred.

 

[Tamanon]

CNN finally talking about the nonsense of just bringing on people as "Republican or Democratic advisor" without any clarification. The whole Brazile and Lewandowski nonsense.

 

[tedtropy]

Who's ready for non-stop unbiased level-headed CNN coverage until Election Day?!

 

[Cyanity]

lol @ me. I'm now voting for another Clinton Pres.


Hahahahaaaaa

It's crazy how much can change in 10 years. I wonder where we're gonna be in 2026.

 

[GTI Guy]

My sister works for Directv, and Friday the HD versions of Fox News and CNN went out.

She said no one called about CNN, but the Fox News people were mad as hell.

That's funny because I have a nut on my Facebook that was crying our that direct TV intentionally cut the fox news feed. He was getting all fired up like it was some conspiracy. He was probably one of the assholes who called in mad as hell. Lol

 

[jack_package_200]

If Hilldawg loses, should I expect lots of "Fuck you Bernie!"?

After his primary run and saying shit like this https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/794941635931099136

I would say he was a hindrance not a help.

However Hillary has this in the bag

 

[Carpe Carnim]

Thanks Andrew Johnson.

This. The failure of White Northern Unionists to give a shit about the 'freed' slaves of the South once the peace had been won, screwed us all over, and we're still dealing with the ramifications 150 years later.

 

[Tall4Life]

It's crazy how much can change in 10 years. I wonder where we're gonna be in 2026.

Chelsea Clinton vs Donald Trump Jr.: The Revenge in 2028

 

[Plinko]

If Trump somehow pulls this off, I hope the media realizes how much of it is their own fault.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

If Hilldawg loses, should I expect lots of "Fuck you Bernie!"?

Sure. Expect a lot more "Fuck you Hillary!" though. The Democratic Party would come apart at the seams, at a minimum.

 

[The Lamonster]

After his primary run and saying shit like this https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/794941635931099136

I would say he was a hindrance not a help.

However Hillary has this in the bag

oh my god this guy is clueless.

 

[A Serious Man]

Keepin' It 1600 crew on CNN right now.

 

[KMS]

I see your Jeopardy...

I raise you... John Oliver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IwaQsFFKwM

Well you see(pause) when the player catches the ball and runs into the end zone(pause) that's a touchdown.

Wolfe Blitzer the John Madden of news.

 

[Tall4Life]

If Trump somehow pulls this off, I hope the media realizes how much of it is their own fault.

They wont because their ratings will increase as all they'll be reporting on is what stupid thing or meme Trump says this day.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

If Trump somehow pulls this off, I hope the media realizes how much of it is their own fault.

They won't care. They'll be rolling in money covering scandal after scandal.

 

[Boke1879]

oh my god this guy is clueless.

I love Bernie. I truly do, but this is why he gets a lot of shit, and trying to claim alot of minority issues come from Wall St. etc .

 

[Diablos]

Isn't funny how now Jeb as the candidate would feel like a dream come true?

I wouldn't want him at all but I wouldn't be legit afraid of him. Same feelings I had about Romney.

I don't trust the intentions of any Republican running for Pres. That said anyone would be better than Trump. But then Hillary would have a really bad chance of winning. Trump is a gift but you can only get it by playing Russian Roulette with our democracy. Edit: Pun unintentionally now intended.

 

[Cyanity]

Chelsea Clinton vs Donald Trump Jr.: The Revenge in 2028

Just end me now ok

 

[jack_package_200]

oh my god this guy is clueless.

He gave them a fucking out for supporting a fucking monster.

Shit like this is why I am glad he lost.

 

[thebloo]

Bill Maher actually apologized the other night for demonizing people like Romney and both Bushes... He said that it wasn't warranted then, but it is now.

Of course, all of this will be forgotten in 4 years when the next election rolls around. Then it will be back to vilifying the candidate from the party you don't like.

I disagree. I actually used harsher language against Maher some pages back, but I'll refrain now.

Bush: without him the entire Middle East spectrum would be different and the US economy would most likely be better. Also, climate change would have been front and center a lot quicker, rather than the patchwork being done now.

McCain: if he had won, the Supreme court would have been even more skewed Conservative. Probably no ACA, surely no gay marriage.

Romney: same old, same old. No healthcare, no gay marriage, more conservative local courts, etc.

 

[nature boy]

Heh Stelter completely ignoring the "Horserace narrative"

 

[Man God]

Lock her up. You don't want to throw a sitting president in jail. Lock up Obummer too for being a Muslim Spy.

 

[Tall4Life]

Just end me now ok

As long as the Trump family continues to produce spawn this will never be over.

 

[Carpe Carnim]

If Trump somehow pulls this off, I hope the media realizes how much of it is their own fault.

Why would you think "media" is going to do any soul searching no matter what the outcome is?

We've had—mostly retired—journalists writing pre-autopsies of modern media for a year. CableTV doesn't do journalism, so they don't give a shit. Print journalists, for the most part, don't do shoe-leather journalism anymore. It's all access and Twitter stenography. They're not smart people.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

-Eleanor Roosevelt

 

[sazzy]

Chelsea Clinton vs Donald Trump Jr.: The Revenge in 2028

Michelle Obama vs Melania Trump

 

[Tamanon]

I don't mind that Bernie tweet at all. He's not wrong. There are a lot of Trump supporters that aren't racist or sexist, or at least that's not why they're voting for him.

I know I joke about it a lot, and so do many, but economic anxiety is a pretty big driving force.

 

[Loudninja]

wrap it up clintonailures

Well he has no money soooooo

 

[Carpe Carnim]

Michelle Obama vs Melania Trump

Depending how the pre-nup was written, I don't think she'll be a Trump by then.

 

[Trouble]

Joy Reid is eating Omarosa's soul right now.

 

[Manmademan]

Michelle Obama vs Melania Trump

Sadly, the final vote would STILL be something completely insane like 55-45.

I don't mind that Bernie tweet at all. He's not wrong. There are a lot of Trump supporters that aren't racist or sexist, or at least that's not why they're voting for him.

I know I joke about it a lot, and so do many, but economic anxiety is a pretty big driving force.

did you happen to miss the last page or so