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PoliGAF 2016 |OT7| Notorious R.B.G. Plans NZ Tour
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GutsOfThor
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lol! You're right! I've never really given Locke much thought until recently. I think he'd be a good pick.
Aaron Strife
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Anyone with half a functioning fucking brain (sorry Nate) knew what was going down, just based on the data. People who were counting out Trump in the primaries tangled themselves into knots to explain why he wouldn't actually win in spite of all available evidence showing otherwise.
It's also why "Well they said Trump wouldn't win the primary, so they're wrong that he won't win the general" is such an intellectually lazy, braindead fucking argument. First of all it always refers to a nebulous "they" as if there weren't a number of pundits, analysts, even GAFers saying all along that he'd win. Second, it assumes that those people will be wrong again for the completely opposite reasons.
What I think it comes down to is that most people in America are used to relatively close elections and give the Democrats and Republicans even weight as far as political credibility goes. So the fact that the GOP nominee, even if he's a complete disaster like Trump doesn't have much of a chance, is baffling. Similar to the Bernie/Hillary fight, when presented with two options, people will assume there's an exactly 50/50 chance of one or the other. Probability, how does it work?
Can't wait for four more months of "both sides are the same!" shit posting though.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Bloomberg has Hillary up 12 points and has 55% of Bernie supporters not voting for her.
So I guess Hillary with a Bernie endorsement would be up by 20 points?
So I guess Hillary with a Bernie endorsement would be up by 20 points?
User 463088
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Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn 2h2 hours ago Washington, DC
In the undoubtedly rigged state of Vermont, 10% of Democratic primary voters were ages 18-29, per L2 data, v. 15% in the exit polls
FRAUD.
S4P is so totally calling for an audit, right. RIGHT?
Then say that dude! COME ON.
In the undoubtedly rigged state of Vermont, 10% of Democratic primary voters were ages 18-29, per L2 data, v. 15% in the exit polls
FRAUD.
S4P is so totally calling for an audit, right. RIGHT?
My favorite part of the article is the Bernie guy who said, to the pollsters, that he's voting for Johnson...but he's not. He's going to vote for Stein because he's a member of the Green party.
Then say that dude! COME ON.
eBay Huckster
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because the election results are counted in november
User 463088
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Well....technically we start the FRAUD in October. Maybe September this year. I haven't gotten my check from Correct the Record, so I can't be entirely sure.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
So today Barbara Bush and a former Bush national secretary talked poorly about Trump and/or supported Clinton?
I really think by November, Bush 41, 43, and Jeb come out in favor of Hillary.
I really think by November, Bush 41, 43, and Jeb come out in favor of Hillary.
Did anybody listen to this story this morning? It made me so angry I had to switch it off and listen to some music instead.
It was basically "Obama didn't fix racism so there's no reason to vote"
Why Many Young Black Activists See No Reason To Vote For President
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/22/48304...activists-see-no-reason-to-vote-for-president
It was basically "Obama didn't fix racism so there's no reason to vote"
Why Many Young Black Activists See No Reason To Vote For President
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/22/48304...activists-see-no-reason-to-vote-for-president
Hillary would actually lose points for that, I'm fairly certain, lol.
Lol I knew it! I read an article on him being a potential running mate a while back. He seems fine. Pretty low profile though. I still prefer Warren or Becerra. I just wish someone else would follow Warren and start attacking Trump more publicly. She's kinda set a high standard to meet.
User 463088
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So, Hillary is offering these if you donate money.
LOOK AT THE NAMES ON IT! LOOK AT THE NAMES.
So, Hillary is offering these if you donate money.
LOOK AT THE NAMES ON IT! LOOK AT THE NAMES.
Is Warren the only veepstakes candidate available? Any with Castro or Becerra or Kaine, etc? It's almost like she's teasing.
You've made it!
So, Hillary is offering these if you donate money.
LOOK AT THE NAMES ON IT! LOOK AT THE NAMES.
User 463088
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It's only Warren. Well, and your name at the bottom, obviously. But, ya, Warren's the only Veep candidate. (At least according to two of my emails, and my mom's email.)
Getting the respect I deserve.
So, Hillary is offering these if you donate money.
LOOK AT THE NAMES ON IT! LOOK AT THE NAMES.
Wonder if Bernie will buy himself one with his name on it so he can pretend he's helping without actually doing so.
I mean, an aggregate of polls told us what would happen in the primary, just like they will in the general.
Talking about a Trump resurgence in the general ignores once he jumped to the front of the field he never looked back.
It's just people arguing feels and momentum and tight race not really understanding the fundamentals of both races were locked in long ago and it would take something truly earth shattering to change them.
excelsiorlef
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Lolz. My bad ha ha.
That'd be insane. Every living President supporting Clinton
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Come the fuck on, Pat.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/06/22/the-making-of-patrick-murphy/
How were Murphy and Grayson the two best guys to run in Florida?
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/06/22/the-making-of-patrick-murphy/
How were Murphy and Grayson the two best guys to run in Florida?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Any suggestions for decent news aggregates that are not reddit?
I unsubbed from all the political anti-hillary subs, but they keep leaking through with bullshit like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Art/comments/4pbvk5/two_clowns_in_the_same_circus_16_x_12s_oil_on/
False Equivalences Ahoy!
If if the Art subreddit is not safe, nothing is.
I unsubbed from all the political anti-hillary subs, but they keep leaking through with bullshit like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Art/comments/4pbvk5/two_clowns_in_the_same_circus_16_x_12s_oil_on/
False Equivalences Ahoy!
If if the Art subreddit is not safe, nothing is.
Cesare Borgia
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As with Bernie-or-bust types, I have little to no respect for people like this. At the very least, on the most basic level, a president appoints the Attorney General, who heads the Department of Justice. If your focus is on criminal justice or voting rights or civil rights it strikes me as very important to have an Attorney General in place who is not antagonistic to your causes. How would a President Mitt Romney and his appointed AG handle something like Ferguson? Eric Holder deserves a lot of credit for taking his job very seriously and doing everything in (and perhaps outside) his power to fight for criminal justice reforms, voting rights, (some, not all) civil rights, etc. How can someone say the president doesn't matter give the stakes of issues like these?
But as with Bernie supporters, there are a lot of activists of all stripes who believe presidents can wave a magic want and fix the country's ills, and thus the fact that ills still exists must prove the president is not an ally. The only thing presidents wave magic wands to accomplish with absolute power happen thousands of miles away from the United States, and often end in someone being blown up.
I wish all this activism would result in state prosecutors, judges, state legislators, etc being targeted for change but that remains to be seen. And just as Bernie's supporters won't spark some monumental grass roots change in local politics, I don't expect most activists to either. In my experience most people who complain the most about "the system" are not interested in changing it, making it very hard for genuine activists to organize people.
User 85168
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This Florida stuff is a real bummer. One moment we were all laughing at Rubio for entering, now this.
Aaron Strife
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It's astonishing how many people want to enforce the purity test while not understanding anything about how our system works. Obama hasn't stalled on these things because he secretly supports them, it's because between 2011 and 2015 half of Congress has been run by shitheels who have no interest in governing and that was upgraded to all of Congress as of last year.
I can see someone arguing that Hillary Clinton might not be especially provocative on issues they care about. There might be some distrust there. But ultimately she'd be willing to play ball. If bills that restored McCain-Feingold, further regulated the financial industry beyond Dodd-Frank, restored the Voting Rights Act, raised the minimum wage to $15/hr, established free college, etc etc etc hit her desk do people really think she would veto them? I think people need to start seeing the president as more of a gatekeeper of whatever passes through Congress in terms of legislative politics rather than some all-powerful force that can will these things into being. The bully pulpit is completely irrelevant in split government because everyone will claim the mandate.
Yeah this shit pisses me off, shit doesn't change overnight. At least not for the better. Doesn't mean you give up. Even when you gain something you don't stop, that is why you still see a lot of the folks that fought in the 60s and Bernie, still fighting the good fight.
StopMakingSense
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So, Hillary is offering these if you donate money.
LOOK AT THE NAMES ON IT! LOOK AT THE NAMES.
HOLY SHIT ADAM IS GOING TO BE VICE PRESIDENT
NYCmetsfan
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I have little doubt Florida is gonna fuck up the Senate
cartoon_soldier
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Well, Patrick Murphy sounds toast. What the fuck are Dems doing.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/06/22/the-making-of-patrick-murphy/
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/06/22/the-making-of-patrick-murphy/
whyamihere
Banned
This is so bad. Fuck.
User 463088
Banned
I can only get to it through emails. My mom got it. I got it in both of my emails. A friend of mine got it too...but they all seem to be tied to email. When you go to the site through it, though, it does say "your name here" there, but there's no direct link that I can find.
I will be a benevolent god.
What a fucking disaster... god damnit.
eBay Huckster
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Florida Dems, as always, wrenching defeat from the jaws of victory
NYCmetsfan
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And Rubio is better? This hurts him in the primary. Won't do much in the general.
User 463088
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Nerd Joke
OMG YOU ARE AWESOME
(For anyone who doesn't know, the "Megazord" in Zyuranger was actually god)
I dunno. Scam artist is bad in almost any type of election.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Dammit, Murphy. Thanks a lot.
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Meanwhile, Hillary's response to Trump's #ImWithYou gambit..
Hillary's social media team >> Trump himself >> Trump's social media team.
Though TO BE FAIR, Trump's social media team has not posted any Nazi slogans or retweeted a Nazi in the two days since he's surrendered his account.
Box of Kittens
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It's not just that we have so many bad state parties, but do so many of them have to be in swing states?
Aaron Strife
Banned
Gwen Graham should sub in for Murphy while they've got a chance. Or maybe this will blow over idk
Rubio is going to win
NYCmetsfan
Banned
Exactly Rubio is screwed
VendettaRed07
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Hmm.. Looks like the VP spot is down to Biden VP for life, Warren, and Adam
VendettaRed07
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Will show how broken incumbency is in congress if Rubio keeps his seat.
Fucking ridiculous after all he's said and done if he wins re-election.
DataStream
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She is teasing Warren so hard...
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