IggyChooChoo
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Once they admit Florida is slipping away, it'll crush their morale. The math is just too stark I wonder how many points down they'd have to be down in Florida before Ailes would let them admit it was even leaning blue?
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I don't think I've ever seen that page/picture, and I doubt a lot of others have either, which made it pretty confusing.
I figured it was satire of some sort, though.
IggyChooChoo
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How is this supposed to be parsed? Is it "radical police [who are] killing black lives matters"? Or is it "radical, police-killing, black lives matters"?
They won't admit that anytime soon considering they have PA as a tossup.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Fox News Electoral Map:
I still shake my head at everyone putting Florida in play. If a democrat can't win in this election with the Hispanic population down there and how badly they hate Trump, I have no hope for the party.
Outdoor Miner
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As a Floridian, I'm telling you all - WE GOT THIS.
Frank the Great
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Fox News Electoral Map:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...hoas-2016-edge-but-many-toss-ups-in-play.html
They have AZ as lean red, but the polls show that Hilldawg's leads in FL and PA are bigger than Trump's in AZ.
Writing is on the wall.
Qwerty710710
a child left behind
Fox News Electoral Map:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-has-2016-edge-but-many-toss-ups-in-play.html
Clinton tweet on Dallas:
Nevada and Colorado aren't battleground states in my opinion even Florida is lean Democrat. Clinton has many paths to victory and Trump is going to get destroyed with the Spanish vote.
The point is that, in general, the behavior that the police engages in is not subject to the law. It is technically illegal, after all, to shoot a bunch of black people for no reason. The police do it anyway in contravention of the law because they know that they will be protected and believed.
The authority of the law derives from our joint agreement as a society to forbid certain behaviors, to encourage others, and to authorize the use of force on our behalf to protect this agreement.
The authority of the police derives from their authorization to use force and our assumption that that force will be deployed appropriately.
The two are really not the same thing! I assume that the majority of people who are against police violence are in support of the law. They just want it appropriately enforced.
Qwerty710710
a child left behind
Looking at that map real closely all of the battleground states are all lean Clinton. I give Trump a 5% of winning.
nature boy
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Yeah the Michigan lean Dem is also a bit laughable, but worth posting just for the more conservative perspective on the race.
Qwerty710710
a child left behind
I see her winning Michigan by 15+ it's definitely not lean dem and Pennsylvania is not a battleground state either.
When we do predictions for the map, I'm guessing that we'll use the time that the race is called as a tiebreaker?
(I'm currently torn on whether it'll be slightly before or slightly after Obama's 11:14PM eastern call from 2012.)
Here's the 2012 timeline site; the reversal of red and blue always freaks me out.
http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/ARTICLES/ElectionNight2012/pe2012elecnighttime.php
Today is four months away. Yep. It's creeping-up on us.
(I'm currently torn on whether it'll be slightly before or slightly after Obama's 11:14PM eastern call from 2012.)
Here's the 2012 timeline site; the reversal of red and blue always freaks me out.
http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/ARTICLES/ElectionNight2012/pe2012elecnighttime.php
Today is four months away. Yep. It's creeping-up on us.
Spoiled Milk
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My original point was that the potential abuse of vested authority is not justification for arming yourself against the police. It is a net loss in every capacity.
Sad that RBG will be likely leaving us soon, but she'll probably be happy to do it under a woman president.
I wonder how many appointments we'll see in the next few years, sounds like at least 2, and maybe as many as 4
metalslimer
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Because if you don't put Florida in play the path to Trump winning looks next to impossible
excelsiorlef
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I can't believe we still hardly have any information at all on the suspects.
Enough empty words and mourning, we need some action from these liberals on the radical police killing black lives matters.
How about you drop your trolling shtick for a bit eh?
I don't see why.
I would also take issue with the phrasing of "arming yourself against the police." The point is that you have the constitutional right to bear arms. You don't need a specific target or justification.
eBay Huckster
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While we're on the subject of maps, Carville with a #bombshell
Nate Cohn said:
Spoiled Milk
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The interpretation of the law, right now, is certainly the way you describe it.
The 2nd Amendment was a mistake. People do not have a right to self-defense with firearms. This right does not exist in Europe except in Switzerland and maybe France.
Sporting and hunting should be done with rented, on-site weapons.
I want complete and total disarmament of non-security personnel in this country within my lifetime. If we lived in a country where guns had never been a right, do you think people would be vigorously advocating for the legalization of these weapons for "self-defense"?
I like the history of the Black Panthers and I can't help but feel satisfied when I hear about how Fred Thompson made people afraid just because black men were understanding their rights and mobilizing. But then I think about the ramifications of mass arming and I don't feel smug about it anymore. When I think about armed civilians, I don't think of law abiding do-gooders defending themselves from bad cops and evil men, I think of Waco, Bundy Ranch, MOVE bombing...
Besides, guns are for killing. Are you telling me men should be able to kill a cop in the case of improper use of power? Or in self defense? That's certainly what I'm extrapolating from your defense of defense. It doesn't matter how right someone is, because as soon as shots are fired on police, your life is over.
Frank the Great
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Kennedy will surely retire within 8 years. Breyer will also retire so his seat will get locked down.
Add Scalia's seat and we're looking at six liberals for a decade or more if she gets two terms. That hasn't happened since . . . the Warren court? Fuck, it's really unbelievable how long conservatives have dominated.
Aaron Strife
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The congressional ballot is good.
Even if gerrymandering is too strong, I could see Democrats coming within a couple seats of a majority. And I think that would force Ryan's hand on a lot of issues.
RastaMentality
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As I said in the chat, this is Hillary's huge and maybe only chance to truly connect with and inspire poc youth. When there's so many people (including black entertainers) copping out with AllLivesMatter and BlueLivesMatter, Warren and her could use this as a completely positive force for good.
I hope her campaign makes the right maneuver because appeasing white voters who're gonna hate her the moment she starts talking about gun control isn't the right one.
I hope her campaign makes the right maneuver because appeasing white voters who're gonna hate her the moment she starts talking about gun control isn't the right one.
plagiarize
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We need a Federal law making it illegal to redistrict in a way that favors one party or another intentionally or unintentionally. States can still draw their districts how they want (which I understand is a constitutional right) but they have to make sure they aren't doing so to tip the balance one way or another.
i dont think its realistic. Its very optimistic but realistic to get close
thestopsign
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I imagine they are waiting for full details to plan out a proper path to take with a statement. I bet we have one by mid-afternoon.
Qwerty710710
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Yea Republicans really fucked it up for us. For some reason Democrats don't vote in mid terms.
She's going to be speaking later today in Philadelphia at the African Methodist Episcopal Church .
Is there an active case making its way to the Supreme Court? Because that's the only way I could see something like that getting done.
RastaMentality
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The only stuff on #alllivesmatter I see on my feed are from people saying that it's stupid. At least among my peer group I think it's reached Starbucks red cup-level feel-good outrage at this point.
Pretty sure it's a combination of things, but at least in part because liberal voters tend to be younger and are potentially less experienced with when and why they should vote. Also, I think it's probably related to that whole "Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love" thing. Without the magnetic presidential candidate to vote for, some Dems just don't find the time. Gotta find a way to incite those passions without daydreams of putting that special someone in the White House coming into it.
Bolded was definitely true for me in college. I knew 2008/2012 were important and I voted, but in 2010 I didn't think about it, I assumed the presidential elections were the important parts and that's all I needed to worry about voting in. Learned my lesson by the time 2014 came around, but... I was a young ignorant kid and we've got to find a way to reach the younger and less involved voters.
I love that Samantha Bee has made a big deal out of "2010 midterms being the most important election of your lifetime and you didn't vote", I want to see more of that.=
She noted that, due to this pattern, we need a liberal Supreme Court as a check on all of the bullshit coming from GOP-dominated state-level governments.. just about made me scream aloud at work. So rare that you actually see someone point this out on television.
Rush Limbaugh also likes to focus on midterm election results, citing landslide Republican wins at the state level in 2010/2014, while wilfully ignoring national election results during years where Democrats show up.
It fits his narrative that Conservatisim is America's only way forward and most favoured by the people.
It fits his narrative that Conservatisim is America's only way forward and most favoured by the people.
Frank the Great
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Didn't Democrats crush the popular vote in the House even while not winning a majority in 2014?
eBay Huckster
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nope. they lost by 6% that year
you're probably thinking about 2012
you're probably thinking about 2012
That was 2012. They lost the popular vote in 2014 IIRC
Frank the Great
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You're right, I was thinking 2012.
Which Rush ignores as his opinions represent a minority view of the entire electorate.
It works better in Washington state. I don't have to be conscious of what's coming up or when. I just get mailed a ballot full of stuff to vote on every so often, I vote on it, send it back in and bob's your uncle. Should be that easy (or even easier if possible) everywhere.
I distinctly remember sitting at my kitchen table, patiently googling every single candidate and proposition on the ballot in 2010, well into the night so that I could make sure I wasn't getting tricked somehow into voting for something (or someone) that could damage my community.
thestopsign
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I just had this realization on Reddit when I was arguing with someone. I hadn't fully realized the significance of winning this election until I spelled it out for myself:
Ignatz Mouse
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A bit of a tangent, but is Rush relevant anymore?
With Trump winning the majority of votes from the primary and winning the nomination. Extremely.
This is where that rhetoric was born and used to rile up that base of Republican voters.
That's why she's the best
metalslimer
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That's what's truly horrifying. People who don't necessarily buy into trump say people will keep him in line but who will keep the house and Senate in line. The only thing standing between some of the crazy bills that would come out of the house would be the filibuster.
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