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PS5 Pro: $699 Is It Worth it? - The Digital Foundry Take

peter42O

Banned
For me personally, NO.

PlayStation 5 base model has been excellent for the most part and I haven't had any complaints or issues with the games that I have played on it. Spending almost $800 with tax just isn't worth it for a console in which I would only play a few games a year on.

Plus, in two years the next Xbox console releases which spec wise, will be superior and probably cost only $100 more. Two years later, PlayStation 6 will be released. I'll just wait for the superior tech for slightly more money.
 

tommib

Banned
Absolutely fucking yes. Can’t wait to try all the unlocked quality modes in Rise of the Ronin, Elden Ring, Armoured Core 6. And GT7 with in race ray tracing.

masturbating shake it GIF by Smasher Network
 

Vick

Member
No, you are trusting the enormous install base would force most developers to try and optimize for those particular systems, which is a safe bet overall.
Exactly. That's what I meant actually, I missed a "for current gen games" after "sufficient".

Are you sure all games are gonna run double the frames? GTA VI probably won´t.
Well.. the moment Cerny says the only reason the Pro exists is to do this..

I have no reason on Earth to ever doubt this man after PS5. Especially not over DF. Over anybody really.

I bet you´ll be!
We'll see. 🤞
 
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XXL

Member
Absolutely fucking yes. Can’t wait to try all the unlocked quality modes in Rise of the Ronin, Elden Ring, Armoured Core 6. And GT7 with in race ray tracing.

masturbating shake it GIF by Smasher Network
Elden Ring should also be 4K 60fps on the PS5 Pro.

In fact it's pretty great that most of these games have 60fps performance modes. They are all going to look great on the Pro.
 

yogaflame

Member
I was shocked by the price at first but everyday we are learning more about it and I’m starting to think it’s a good upgrade at a fair price (US atleast).

It’s not the price we are used to … but that doesn’t mean the Pro is overpriced. Gaming is just a very expensive hobby now.

I said this in another thread but how are we going to act when Nintendo announces a $400 dollar console in 2024-2025 that’s rumored to be comparable in power to a PS4?

DF said that the gpu in the Pro compares to a GPU that costs around $600 bucks. I recently spent $150 on a 2 TB Western Digital Black SSD for my PS5 Slim. Those two components alone cost more than the PS5 Pro’s asking price (in US).

Again, our beloved hobby is getting very, very expensive. It’s not just Sony.
If you is read and watch about ps5 pro objectively, it really is an impressive technology and technology is really getting expensive this days, not to mention inflation issues around the world.
 

Loxus

Member
It's a yes and no answer.
PS5 Pro offers great performance but at that price you might as well go for a PC. Free online, cheaper games, etc. but this is if you're not in the PS ecosystem.


The yes comes in if you're already invested in PS ecosystem with games and accessories. It's a powerful console worth the upgrade if interested in it.
 

yogaflame

Member
not worth it for me. i have a PS5 Slim which is just sitting gathering dust except for when i use it to watch youtube or netflix. Would be nice if there were some games to play that I couldn't play on my PC. I regret buying the PS5 now but I'll keep it for GTA VI lol.
Blame the bad decisions of game developers focusing to much on live services, or GAAS. I miss those good old days of Super NES, Famicom, Ps1 up to ps3 with allot of great games especially single player games. Other gamers might hate remakes, but for me, it was actually the only silver lining reminding us of good old games of the past and upgraded to technology today.
 
PS4 Pro never allowed me to play PS4 games at double the frames with better IQ/setting on top.
PS5 Pro isn’t allowing you to play games at “double the frames”.

It’s doing exactly the same thing as PS4 Pro did.

Play PS5 games at the same framerate targets as the standard PS5, but with substantially better IQ and perhaps a more stable framerate. That’s exactly what the PS4 Pro achieved over the standard PS4.

This whole “double the framerate” narrative I keep seeing is a fallacy. PS5 Pro is not doubling any framerate. It’s just a massive enhancement over the 60fps performance modes that already exist on PS5, allowing these “performance modes” to have the IQ and better effects of the “fidelity mode”.
 
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Vick

Member
not worth it for me. i have a PS5 Slim which is just sitting gathering dust except for when i use it to watch youtube or netflix. Would be nice if there were some games to play that I couldn't play on my PC. I regret buying the PS5 now but I'll keep it for GTA VI lol.
Not even Astro Bot?
Ah, right, it's only 4K/60fps.. forgot you would never play a game under 120fps.

I can play at up to 360fps on my pc. 300 more fps than a PS5 Pro.

if I can't play a game at 120fps minimum I'm not playing it at all.

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Based on your recent posts, but especially the emotional reactions you are leaving all over the place.. well, let's just say saying I would be embarassed in your shoes would be an understatement.

PS5 Pro isn’t allowing you to play games at “double the frames”.

It’s doing exactly the same thing as PS4 Pro did.

Play PS5 games at the same framerate targets as the base unit, but with substantially better IQ.

This whole “double the framerate” narrative I keep seeing is a fallacy. PS5 Pro is not doubling any framerate. It’s just a massive enhancement over the 60fps performance modes that already exist on PS5, allowing these “performance modes” to have the IQ of the “fidelity mode”.
Tales from our asses time?
 
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XXL

Member
This whole “double the framerate” narrative I keep seeing is a fallacy. PS5 Pro is not doubling any framerate. It’s just a massive enhancement over the 60fps performance modes that already exist on PS5, allowing these “performance modes” to have the IQ and better effects of the “fidelity mode”.
It's literally doubling the frame rate of fidelity mode....while looking better than the fidelity mode.
Boombox Shut Up GIF

That's doubling the frame rate.
 
Tales from our asses time?
Tales from the ass huh?

TLOU 2 PS4 - 1080p 30fps
TLOU 2 PS4 Pro - 1440P 30fps

TLOU 2 PS5 - 1440p 60fps
TLOU 2 PS5 Pro - 4k 60fps

If you can’t wrap your head around what I’m saying then I can’t help you bub. PS5 is not “doubling the frames” of any games.

And if you think it is, you’re looking at it the wrong way.
 
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TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
TL;DW

Do you have a capable PC: no
Do you have CC debt: no
Do you have a PS5 and are happy with it: no
Do you have a PS5 and want more out of it: yes

I think the price is a bit too much considering what they've show but hey, maybe PSSR is the shit and that might be worth it.

So to each their own.
 

Vick

Member
It's literally doubling the frame rate of fidelity mode....while looking better than the fidelity mode.
Boombox Shut Up GIF

That's doubling the frame rate.
He's the same users that was at the helm of the FUD campaign in many Threads the reveal day. Extremely invested in it, also.

Takes from the ass huh?

TLOU 2 PS4 - 1080p 30fps
TLOU 2 PS4 Pro - 1440P 30fps

TLOU 2 PS5 - 1440p 60fps
TLOU 2 PS5 Pro - 4k 60fps

If you can’t wrap your head around what I’m saying then I can’t help you bub. PS5 is not “doubling the frames” of any games.
You know what? You convinced me, I'll trust you over what Cerny said when explaining the only reason for this console to exist.

Why does Bugaga laugh so stupidly at the beginning?
He does that often. I wouldn't say the dude is 100% functional in general to be honest.

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tommib

Banned
Takes from the ass huh?

TLOU 2 PS4 - 1080p 30fps
TLOU 2 PS4 Pro - 1440P 30fps

TLOU 2 PS5 - 1440p 60fps
TLOU 2 PS5 Pro - 4k 60fps

If you can’t wrap your head around what I’m saying then I can’t help you bub. PS5 is not “doubling the frames” of any games.

And if you think it is, you’re looking at it the wrong way.
Baby, isn’t the 4K 30 mode turning into 4K 60?
 

Three

Member
The Pro has not been released and they are dismissing it. Pretty lame from them. All those people that want the Pro to fail, will be pretty pissed off if the thing is sold out at Day one.
They're trying to say these are like "Apple fans" instead of it being the best console to buy. You can see the hate when Alex mentions it probably selling out. That's the narrative they're building instead of celebrating the best tech in a console so far. If anything Nintendo is the equivalent Apple of the gaming world charging high margin prices for older/dated tech and selling mostly on their brand rather than pushing tech advancements.
 
It's a weird level of cynicism regarding Sony every damn time one of these Mark Cerny videos happens.

Remember the entire teraflop thing they fed back then between Xbox Series and PS5, only for them to spend 4 years making comparisons between both consoles with PS5 winning most of them?

Consoles are more than the sum of all their parts separately...and every time Sony presents a new piece of hardware since the PS5 has been met with a weird cynicism from them. They should know better by now.

About being worth the price...i feel Sony should NEVER follow these Mark Cerny videos with weeks of silence but i do think that the differences in framerate, resolution, the 2TB NVME disc included, Ray tracing capabilities, etc...when we think about all that, the price is not surprising. Here in Portugal a 2tb NVME alone is over 100€. In the USA a Pro is basically 200$ more. ($300 because of the lack of the disc reader). I don't think it's a weird price at all, specially when they can't lower the PS5 price and it's a 4 year old console.

The problem is everywhere that's not the USA. How 700 dollars are now 800€, i'll never know. How the USA has games at 70 and europe at 80, that's just crap.

An even bigger problem is that this isn't just Sony related. Tech in general is getting more and more expensive by the year.
 
You know what? You convinced me, I'll trust you over what Cerny said when explaining the only reason for this console to exist.
Running the game at “double the framerate” of the PS5’s fidelity mode is a disingenuous and false way to look at it when you realize the PS5 also runs all of these games at 60fps.

The Pro is not “doubling the framerate” of what the PS5 is capable of doing in these games. It’s not.

It’s simply allowing you to run the same games at the same 60fps target we all know and love right now, but with the fidelity of the “fidelity mode”.

The PS4 Pro did the exact same thing that the PS5 Pro is promising to do - Run games at the same framerate targets, while looking a hell of a lot better doing it. The only difference this generation is that the framerate targets are 60 instead of 30.

You need to remove the “30fps fidelity mode” from the equation and then things will start to make a lot more sense.

When PS5 Pro runs a game at 60 that the PS5 can only manage to run at 30, then we can talk about “doubling framerates”. But as DF themselves have already said multiple times - that’s very unlikely to happen.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Disc drive sucks, bad.
But they had their figures to realize a TB increase made more sense than a disc drive at this point in time in the market.
Again, sucks for me as I'm a 100% physical guy.. but this is what gamers™ decided.

Price is perfecty fine for what it could be able to do.

People expecting Sony to necessarily sell their products at a loss, even "premium" ones, are confusing to me.
They could had reduced the it to 1TB, reduce the price $50-100 and let any hardcore gamer amped up on Pro bring over their Samsung SSD to the new system bringing the total back to 2TB or more. How many people in any hardware prediction poll that stated they wanted 2TB standard? Probably none.

But they forced it in because they want to make money off it. Excluding disc and stand makes them more money because those are separately as profit drivers. They arent selling those individually for a loss. And they didn't want to bake into the system because adding it in (like PS5 OG) is only a $50 bump over Digital. Selling them separately is $110 retail, which is probably $80 for Sony.

They also artificially bumped up Europe to 800, which 100 bucks more than needed even when factoring exchange rates and taxes. While Canada/Aussie prices are more straight up 1:1 conversions. So there's something odd going on Europeans get shafted another 100 Euros on top of a reasonable conversion.

Not confusing at all for Sony to sell for losses or even breakeven. They've historically done that since the beginning. Their latest earnings slides even says one down driver of profits is a loss on hardware. So even in 2024, PS5s are sold for a loss. So if the trend is there (PS3 was even bigger), the current Sony strategy of boosting prices big is a 180 compared what they do with any console release whether it's a new gen or mid gen.

In terms of business strategy, doing this for PS5 Pro to improve margins is probably fine. But tell that to consumers. The typical consumer doesn't care about a change in strategy. They just want a good product at reasonable prices. And compared to older PS gens, the prices and asking for additional drive and stand costs is sticker shock territory.
 
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Vick

Member
When PS5 Pro runs a game at 60 that the PS5 can only manage to run at 30, then we’ll talk about “doubling framerates”.
This I can get behind.

I just don't see it not happening anyway. What could really prevent a game on a regular PS5 to from having a Performance mode and being capped at 30fps only? Extensive RT?

Well, a Pro RT capabilities far exceed those of a regular PS5, so this aspect alone would take care of the problem.
CPU? Eh, there's evidence of the fact this shouldn't be that much of worry at the moment. And all of this not considering what PSSR could bring.
 
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This I can get behind.

I just don't see it not happening anyway. What could really prevent a game on a regular PS5 to being capped at 30fps only? Extensive RT?

Well, a Pro RT capabilities far exceeds those of a regular PS5, so this aspect alone would take care of the problem.
CPU? Eh, there's evidence of the fact this shouldn't be that much of worry at the moment. And all of this not considering what PSSR could bring.
Said hypothetical game would have to be totally GPU bottlenecked for PS5 Pro to run it at 60 when PS5 can only manage 30.

Not saying that we won’t see that scenario play out - but I think it’ll be very unlikely or at the very least, uncommon.

There’s almost no games this generation that do not run at 60fps on PS5.
 
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Killer8

Member
Half the video is just describing inflation, currency conversion rates and historical pricing trends. Yeah John, we had a $300 PS2 in 2000, but that's $535 in 2024 money, which isn't far off a PS5. Yeah, the EU and UK are getting shafted. What else is new? The UK paid the equivalent of $970 in today's money for PS3 when it launched. Those regions already pre-apply the lube whenever a new product launches. An Nvidia RTX 4070 Super's RRP is $599 in the US and £579 in the UK, because the pound sterling is in the shitter and value added tax is already applied to the RRP. USD to GBP has been treated as 1:1 for a while by electronics companies.

Using Wichard's own analogy of the Pro being an RTX 4070 to PS5's 4060, that is a $300 difference between the cards. Since the Pro is primary upgrading its GPU, why are they shocked exactly that it's... a few hundred dollars more? It seems that all the outrage about the Pro's price is directed at Sony daring to cross a Rubicon of premium power in a console actually requiring a premium price tag. Maybe they should be more upset that the PS5 price 4 years into the generation hasn't gotten a more meaningful price reduction and in fact is rising in some countries, like Japan - because of inflation and a weak currency!

DF have also long been banging the drum that the PS5 hardware hasn't been tapped into yet, so it doesn't surprise me that they are lukewarm on the utility of the device. I don't know why they think this way when so many games are relying on sub-par reconstruction techniques like FSR and launch with barely any ray tracing effects. And the console is already far easier to develop for and extract its power than ever. Pick any other DF thread on GAF and you'll see moaning about "720p games." Metal Gear Solid Delta was recently announced to have a 4K30 mode and a 1080p/higher FPS mode and apparently that was enough for throngs of people to say "won't buy."

Maybe it's time to admit that despite all the hype, the PS5/XSX has been a disappointing bump from the previous generation and you'll need to pay more if you want out that rut.
 

scydrex

Member
not worth it for me. i have a PS5 Slim which is just sitting gathering dust except for when i use it to watch youtube or netflix. Would be nice if there were some games to play that I couldn't play on my PC. I regret buying the PS5 now but I'll keep it for GTA VI lol.
GTA VI will come for pc. Sell the ps5.
 
I think it all comes down to whether the dated CPU will keep 3rd party games running at 60 fps with acceptable fidelity at 4k. If it does, then a purchase in the US and UK is a no brainer. The amount of storage added and advertised fidelity improvement (if accurate) are a far better upgrade than what the PS4 Pro offered. Some markets are getting fleeced by the regional pricing though and a new gaming PC might be a better value proposition for them in the long run.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Half the video is just describing inflation, currency conversion rates and historical pricing trends. Yeah John, we had a $300 PS2 in 2000, but that's $535 in 2024 money, which isn't far off a PS5.

Big difference is a PS2 in 2000 including a DVD drive was a huge thing. A DVD player was probably still $200 alone. A BR drive in a PS5/X is worth almost nothing. A BR player can be bought for $50 in 2020. So PS2 had a lot of value just coming from the optical drive alone playing movies too. PS3 was actually even bigger value since dedicated BR players were probably $1000. PS3 cost $600, played games, had a gamepad and from I read the BR was pretty good for movies too.

PS5 Pro at $700 doesn't even include an optical drive at all. Or a cheap stand even PS5 OG includes. That bumps up the price to $810. And cost wise, a BR drive and a plastic stand cost hardly anything to make.
 

Vick

Member
They could had reduced the it to 1TB, reduce the price $50-100 and let any hardcore gamer amped up on Pro bring over their Samsung SSD to the new system bringing the total back to 2TB or more. How many people in any hardware prediction poll that stated they wanted 2TB standard? Probably none.
Sure, I suppose.

But they forced it in because they want to make money off it. Excluding disc and stand makes them more money because those are separately as profit drivers. They arent selling those individually for a loss.
Meaning GIF


Why would Sony sell PS5 Pro at a loss? There's not a single reason why they would do that. Would you sell at a loss the luxury version of an hardware you sell at a loss?

They also artificially bumped up Europe to 800, which 100 bucks more than needed even when factoring exchange rates and taxes. While Canada/Aussie prices are more straight up 1:1 conversions. So there's something odd going on Europeans get shafted another 100 Euros on top of a reasonable conversion.
No matter how much this sucks, this ain't fully on Sony.

In the high end statue market I literally have to pay close to twice what US users pay, and we're talking pieces costing thousands in the first place. No THAT is infuriating.

It sucks, and I'm sure they could have reduced it a little, maybe, but this ain't on Sony to be fair.

Not confusing at all for Sony to sell for losses or even breakeven. They've historically done that since the beginning. Their latest earnings slides even says one down driver of profits is a loss on hardware. So even in 2024, PS5s are sold for a loss. So if the trend is there (PS3 was even bigger), the current Sony strategy of boosting prices big is a 180 compared what they do with any console release whether it's a new gen or mid gen.
Nonsense, sorry. This is marketed as a Premium product, 14% of the customer base at best, as that's what PS4 Pro managed. This strategy only makes sense for base hardware.

In terms of business strategy, doing this for PS5 Pro to improve margins is probably fine. But tell that to consumers. The typical consumer doesn't care about a change in strategy. They just want a good product at reasonable prices. And compared to older PS gens, the prices and asking for additional drive and stand costs is sticker shock territory.
Not really, adjusted for inflation this is totally in line with many Consoles Sony sold ever since PSX which costed even more, and they weren't Premium versions of the main one.

Maybe it's time to admit that despite all the hype, the PS5/XSX has been a disappointing bump from the previous generation and you'll need to pay more if you want out that rut.
Personally, this generation almost killed 30fps, Nanite-like tech killed low poly, RT killed awful reflections, and RT shadows the awful shadows.

That is more than enough for me. We would have seen a considerably larger gap if games were developed at 30fps.
 

Eszti

Banned
It's a yes and no answer.
PS5 Pro offers great performance but at that price you might as well go for a PC. Free online, cheaper games, etc. but this is if you're not in the PS ecosystem.


The yes comes in if you're already invested in PS ecosystem with games and accessories. It's a powerful console worth the upgrade if interested in it.

jayz2 cucks has no clue about pc hardware. complete amateur.

where is windows, mouse, keyboard? an rx 6800 has no pssr which is much closer to dlss than fsr. let alone rdna 4 rt cores. not to mention the ps5 pro does ALL this at 200 watts around. the rx 6800 alone ist at almost 250 watts customs even much higher. lmao

what cringe videos to get the clicks for the hype and negativity.

but thanks for the laugh yet again
 
Yes it's worth it, but it's not for most people and I won't be getting it either. ha!

If I had a great tv with hdmi 2.1 and a shit pc, and i plan to trade in the ps5. I'd go far it. But I got a great pc now and a tv without hdmi 2.1.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Honestly, 350€ more than PS5 for, lets say 6-7 years of better performing games? It's just a bit over 50€ per year, and the difference seems big enough.

More like 4 years, if you buy it Day 1.
The target market for this would be upgrading from this once the PS6 shows up in 2028.

I've always said the only reason I would get a Pro would be to play Fidelity at 60fps, and I've been told many times that would be impossible and unrealistic to expect because it would cost thousands.

People here told you that a Pro console wouldn’t increase the visual quality of the Performance modes in games?

I Dont Believe You Will Ferrell GIF
 

welshrat

Member
Don't listen to these clowns for anything gaming related.

It's worth it if you want it.

The PS5 pro will do very well and it will clock some really solid revenue for the company. The profit margins on this thing must be healthy to say the least, so it will help their profits as well.

Personally I would never spend $700+ on a machine with such an outdated CPU, it just makes no sense, but that's likely because I'm used to building my own PCs, most people on this forum prefer to buy the boxes, so if you want a bit of extra fidelity, this is your only choice, for now..
Yeah I totally agree. Currently running a 5900x but waiting for zen 5 x3d and 870 boards for new build middle of next year.

Personally will definitely be jumping on the pro straight away. One thing of note though although a lot more expensive than the PS4 pro that thing has a notebook equivalent CPU and yet I still loved it and allowed me to play a lot of games from the PS4 a lot better. The PS5 pro has essentially a slightly cut down 3700x which is also running on a nice light weight os so I am not worried about the CPU at all.
 
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