MacReady13
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Did you play the N64? Visuals made no difference. Frame rates were the killer there but gameplay is king. Graphics should be a distant 2nd or 3rd in priorities.
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Digital Foundry: Silent Hill 2 Remake PC "Visuals Scale Beyond PS5 - But #StutterStruggle Cannot Be Avoided"
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MacReady13
Member
If "wobbly reflections" and clearer rubbish is justifications for me spending an extra $3k then cool. I just can't justify spending that extra money to play the exact same game with slightly better graphics that the vast majority of people wouldn't even see or care about.
And yes, this is me sort of regretting spending that almost $4k on a gaming PC that pretty much does what my PS5/Series X does but just with prettier graphics.
Zathalus
Member
If your takeaway from PC gaming is only slightly better graphics then it’s likely not for you. I can probably list a dozen reasons why I prefer it as a platform personally.
That’s totally fair. Like I think it’s worth mentioning how mods on PC are addressing many issues and doing cool things besides that. I guess my contention is that PC is the perfect budget platform and not generally recommendable as a sole gaming platform unless you have money to burn on somewhat negligible neat extras.
The reason I say that is because the near totality of PC exclusives and what makes PC cool as a platform are made to run on potatoes, and with that in mind I can get 85-90% of the same perks of PC gaming with a mobo that tops out at a GTX1060TI. Even half the cost of a big boy PC build more than covers a Switch and PS5 to get first party console exclusives and a much more consistent hassle free experience because devs are typically targeting those platforms first.
PC ports just seem to be getting worse and worse. If I was into conspiracies I’d legitimately start claiming that developers are colluding with PC hardware manufacturers to force upgrades.
But to your point everyone views things differently. No hate.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
We should have stopped at the N64 then, as visuals make no difference.
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
We really should have ..
PlayStation instead though. lol
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And what makes you think devs are not colluding with console manufacturers to force upgrades? PS5 Pro for example. Here is a hint, though. From "this generation hasn't started yet, we only get cross-platform games" we immediately went to "Ah, this can barely hit 30fps on consoles at lower than 1080p with worse graphics".
So, it's not like the PC requirements have gone up. In actuality, when a game performs badly on a high-end PC, it performs even worse on a PS5/Xbox Series X. That's a fact.
Senua
Member
It does, but shader compilation stutter is a plague the PC cannot always overcome
Traversal/camera stutter affects all gamers
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killatopak
Member
I can attest to this. Played my copy on an external HDD. Stutter traversal was very rare.
Console version on the other hand I haven’t experienced yet. If it does exist, it’s even rarer or I didn’t notice.
In any case, it is rare and not intrusive on any system I played on console or PC.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
The fact that you spent $450 on a mouse+keyboard+Windows tells us right there you’re not the most savvy or responsible spender.
I swear, I never know if people like you are just trolls who don’t actually own a gaming PC or if they have legitimate grievances (probably the former judging by how you rave about the Pro). Before dropping fucking 4 grands on something, did you do your research? Why would you spend that kind of money on something if you aren’t certain it’ll be worth it?
Edit: Probably a troll.
So way back before the 4090 even came out, you acknowledged that it was a lot of money for "extra frames", yet you went ahead and dropped $4K on a gaming PC, including a whopping $150 on Windows? But it doesn’t stop there. You go on and on about the Pro at $700. If the difference between the regular-ass PS5 and 4090 to you is imperceptible, then I have no idea why you’d get a Pro. In your eyes, it’d be the exact same thing…unless of course you’re dishonest, a troll, or both, but you aren’t, right?
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
We really should have ..
Nah man. Then we would have never got Metal Gear Solid 3.
for real bruv?
Digital Foundry has and continues to be awful for the culture of gaming because of how much they focus on negativity. They pre-condition people and fuel awful attitudes.
MacReady13
Member
Not a troll at all. People can have changing opinions. Or are we not allowed to see things differently as time goes on? Troll my ass. I stand by everything I say, and I still stand by the fact that a gaming PC costs too much. 7-8 months ago my frame of mind was to get a gaming PC and sell all my consoles. I have now had a change of heart.The fact that you spent $450 on a mouse+keyboard+Windows tells us right there you’re not the most savvy or responsible spender.
I swear, I never know if people like you are just trolls who don’t actually own a gaming PC or if they have legitimate grievances (probably the former judging by how you rave about the Pro). Before dropping fucking 4 grands on something, did you do your research? Why would you spend that kind of money on something if you aren’t certain it’ll be worth it?
Edit: Probably a troll.
So way back before the 4090 even came out, you acknowledged that it was a lot of money for "extra frames", yet you went ahead and dropped $4K on a gaming PC, including a whopping $150 on Windows? But it doesn’t stop there. You go on and on about the Pro at $700. If the difference between the regular-ass PS5 and 4090 to you is imperceptible, then I have no idea why you’d get a Pro. In your eyes, it’d be the exact same thing…unless of course you’re dishonest, a troll, or both, but you aren’t, right?
As for spending $450 on Windows/keyboard/mouse, and judging me on that... Cool. But mechanical keyboards aren't cheap. Neither are good quality mouses. But hey, keep digging further into my post history to see what you can come up with. My apologies for having different opinions months/years later.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It's one thing to have "different" opinions, it's another to be plain disingenuous.
MacReady13
Member
Disingenuous about what exactly? Anyone can buy what they want, but this thread is about saying a PC worth thousands more than a PS5 has better shadows and clearer images of rubbish! I said it's not worth all that extra money for those tiny things! You think it's worth it? Cool! You do you. I think that if someone had to buy Silent Hill 2 remake on PC or PS5 and had neither a PS5 or gaming PC, I'd recommend spend less money and buy a PS5 to get the same experience with slightly worse visuals.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
If the 4090 compared to the PS5 has differences that are near imperceptible to the eyes and only slightly better visuals, then the Pro by the same token looks identical. Don't be a damn hypocrite. There's a huge difference between, "I don't think the premium is worth it," and just lying pretending there is almost no difference and then shilling for a Pro which has an even smaller difference.
You're so transparent it's comical.
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MacReady13
Member
Yep whatever. I said what I said. If you think spending ALL that extra money on a 4090 is in any way comparable to a PS5 then cool. I'm happy for someone who is ready to buy either 1 of them to save their money on a PS5 over a 4090.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Yeah, so a troll. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Zathalus
Member
You really overpaid for that Windows license and keyboard & mouse. $200 gets you a Keychron keyboard, Lamzu mouse, and Windows retail key. Better than the majority of stuff you get from Razer for example.
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Imtjnotu
Member
Fun fact for you:
Definition of EXACERBATE
to make more violent, bitter, or severe… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
Also:
MacReady13
Member
I guess it really is true- you can't argue with idiots. See you later champ.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
>Spends $4000 on a gaming machine he claimed was barely different from a $400 console
>Spends $150 on a Windows license
>Will see the difference on a $700 PS5
Couldn't agree more with you post.
MacReady13
Member
Purchased everything for my gaming PC through Scorptec here in Australia. Really researched every single item I purchased. Then they built it for me. Windows 11 was part of that deal. For a 14700k and a 4070ti super I thought it was a pretty good deal. Regardless, and I'll repeat this 1 more time for people who CHOOSE to not understand, IF YOU HAVE TO BUY A PS5 OR A GAMING PC WORTH THOUSANDS FOR CLEARER VISUALS THEN GO A PS5/PRO! But really, do what you want. This is ONLY my opinion.
MacReady13
Member
Yes people- don't be a fool like me and waste your hard earned on a gaming PC. You just wanna play games? Get a PS5/Pro. You'll get the exact same experience with worse visuals over a high end PC that most won't know about unless digital foundry points them out AND you get to save yourself about 2-3k!>Spends $4000 on a gaming machine he claimed was barely different from a $400 console
>Spends $150 on a Windows license
>Will see the difference on a $700 PS5
Couldn't agree more with you post.
Or you can be a dick like Giaff and think that anyone who disagrees with this is a troll for having a differing opinion.
Thebonehead
Gold Member
The fact that you spent $450 on a mouse+keyboard+Windows tells us right there you’re not the most savvy or responsible spender.
I swear, I never know if people like you are just trolls who don’t actually own a gaming PC or if they have legitimate grievances (probably the former judging by how you rave about the Pro). Before dropping fucking 4 grands on something, did you do your research? Why would you spend that kind of money on something if you aren’t certain it’ll be worth it?
Edit: Probably a troll.
So way back before the 4090 even came out, you acknowledged that it was a lot of money for "extra frames", yet you went ahead and dropped $4K on a gaming PC, including a whopping $150 on Windows? But it doesn’t stop there. You go on and on about the Pro at $700. If the difference between the regular-ass PS5 and 4090 to you is imperceptible, then I have no idea why you’d get a Pro. In your eyes, it’d be the exact same thing…unless of course you’re dishonest, a troll, or both, but you aren’t, right?
Fuck me receipts being handed out like candy on threads today.
Zathalus
Member
Did you spend $3650 on a PC that has a 4070ti Super and 14700k? I hope that is not USD as you got utterly ripped off if so. I assume it was Australian dollars?
MacReady13
Member
I am definitely in Australia.
This honestly just seems like someone is seriously butt hurt getting mad because someone who lives in an economically disadvantaged area (Seriously Austrialia is expensive AF due to import costs) realizes they spent way too much money on PC components they didn’t really need or find an appreciable difference in relative to cost and are now telling people to not fall into the same wasteful mindset.
like what’s even happening here?
Personally I get it if the fucking delta is 4K versus 700 dollars. Heck one of my best friends spent nearly 3K building a new top of the line AMD PC with a 7900XTX (they were a moron/got lied and went for a 9950X over a 7800X3D) and told me later they got suckered into the fever of wanting the best. Told me it wasn’t really worth it and that they’re just playing the same MMOs and doing Zelda randomized speed runs they were doing before.
The ‘rat race’ is fucking cancerous and that can even apply to the PS5 Pro guys. Get over it and let people live in peace. Heck the only reason I’m getting a pro is I’m selling my OG directly for more than I could get on trade in.
like what’s even happening here?
Personally I get it if the fucking delta is 4K versus 700 dollars. Heck one of my best friends spent nearly 3K building a new top of the line AMD PC with a 7900XTX (they were a moron/got lied and went for a 9950X over a 7800X3D) and told me later they got suckered into the fever of wanting the best. Told me it wasn’t really worth it and that they’re just playing the same MMOs and doing Zelda randomized speed runs they were doing before.
The ‘rat race’ is fucking cancerous and that can even apply to the PS5 Pro guys. Get over it and let people live in peace. Heck the only reason I’m getting a pro is I’m selling my OG directly for more than I could get on trade in.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Good thing PC gaming is not only clearer visuals.
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Exactly, you get like almost all the perks of PC gaming as a platform and almost all its exclusives without going into the high or even mid range.Good thing PC gaming is not only clearer visuals.
Almost all of its exclusives are designed to run on ancient potatoes. In terms of features you also get nearly all the mod/emulation/indie/freeware fun and utility. It’s a fantastic budget platform and you save money to get all the dedicated consoles and their first party offerings.
Once you get into mid range and above, to a very real degree you are spending that money for ‘clearer visuals’.
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Zathalus
Member
Still a bit high, but not that terrible in terms of pricing.
MacReady13
Member
I'm only here to explain my experience. Yes, at that stage I wanted a gaming PC and was stupid spending all that money for minimal gains.
If people want that, spend it! Doesn't faze me but I'm just telling you what I did was a mistake and for people who want minimal gains, don't waste your money.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Good thing your experience =/= others experiences.
Vick
Gold Member
Update 1.04 is out!
comicbook.com
Silent Hill 2 Update 1.04 Live, Here's What It Does
A new Silent Hill 2 update has been released by Konami and Bloober Team on PS5 and PC alongside patch notes.
comicbook.com
Steam Patch Notes
- Reduced visual glitches when using the latest version of NVIDIA DLSS.
- Added an option to enable DLSS frame generation in the menu when using DLSS for supersampling.
- NVIDIA Reflex is now active when DLSS frame generation is enabled.
- Added support for AMD FSR 3.1.1.
- Added an option to enable AMD Fluid Motion Frames in the menu when using FSR 3.1 for supersampling.
- Updated Intel Nanites to support upcoming driver updates.
- Improved performance and optimization for Steam Deck.
- Fixed stuttering issues related to sky map generation.
- Added an option to enable/disable HZB culling to fix stuttering on some AMD/Intel GPUs.
- All graphic settings should be saved locally.
- Fixed an issue with translation for UI “High” preset not being translated and displayed correctly.
- Fixed an issue with Wooden Plank appearing during James’ death animation.
- Fixed streaming issue where staring at the walls inside the Grand Market caused problems with loading all of the environment around James.
- Fixed an issue where interacting with the wrong side of the peephole in Brookhaven Hospital teleported James to the other side.
- Fixed an issue where breaking windows near Neely’s Bar got James stuck in the window frame.
- Fixed an issue that allowed James to access the inaccessible balcony in Blue Creek Apartments.
- Fixed an issue with Abstract Daddy’s behavior during boss fight where the enemy was not hitting James properly.
- Fixed multiple issues with Abstract Daddy’s 3rd TV – it should now have the correct audio, and the wall won’t interfere with its position.
- Fixed an issue with a question mark from the Conference Room not disappearing after obtaining Cinderella figurine in Lakeview Hotel.
- Fixed an issue with collision detection with the Dayroom walls in Brookhaven Hospital.
- Fixed an issue where James was falling under the map when approaching Laura entering Brookhaven Hospital from the bushes on the left.
- Removed debug numbers displayed behind wallpapers in Blue Creek Apartments’ Clock Room.
- Resolved an issue with James not being able to leave the 3F corridor in the Lakeview Hotel.
- Fixed an issue with the lightbulb on the 3rd floor of Blue Creek Apartments constantly switching on and being impervious to destruction.
- Resolved an issue with the small coffee table blocking James in the corner of the room located in Woodside Apartments.
- Fixed an issue where after completing the Disgust Path in Labyrinth, the player was forced to do it all over again.
- Fixed an issue with Spider Mannequins getting stuck when attacking James while he is going through squeeze traversal.
- Fixed an issue with James getting stuck in the window frame while attacking Lying Figures located outside of the window.
- Added more natural movement for James when switching weapons while aiming.
- Fixed an issue with triggering Spider Mannequin event on Fear Path in the Labyrinth multiple times.
- Improved the ability to pick up items during the final boss fight.
- Fixed an issue with picture frames overlapping in the Moth Room.
- Improved the deformation of Nurses’ skirts.
- Fixed an issue occurring when displaying the information about unlocking NewGame+ which didn’t appear in the player’s chosen language.
- Fixed visible unloading of the door of an abandoned garage in the west side of South Vale.
- Fixed question mark on the map during Chute Puzzle in Woodside Apartments.
PS5 PATCH NOTES
- Fixed some rare crash in AI.
- Fixed some rare crash with texture binding.
- Fixed some rare crash in streaming.
- Fixed some rare crash in audio portal update.
- Fixed an issue with the option of switching In Game Motion Blur.
- Fixed an issue with translation for UI “High” preset not being translated and displayed correctly.
- Fixed an issue with Wooden Plank appearing during James’ death animation.
- Fixed streaming issue where staring at the walls inside the Grand Market caused problems with loading all of the environment around James.
- Fixed an issue where interacting with the wrong side of the peephole in Brookhaven Hospital teleported James to the other side.
- Fixed an issue where breaking windows near Neely’s Bar got James stuck in the window frame.
- Fixed an issue that allowed James to access the inaccessible balcony in Blue Creek Apartments.
- Fixed an issue with Abstract Daddy’s behavior during boss fight where the enemy was not hitting James properly.
- Fixed multiple issues with Abstract Daddy’s 3rd TV – it should now have the correct audio, and the wall won’t interfere with its position.
- Fixed an issue with a question mark from the Conference Room not disappearing after obtaining Cinderella figurine in Lakeview Hotel.
- Fixed an issue with collision detection with the Dayroom walls in Brookhaven Hospital.
- Fixed an issue where James was falling under the map when approaching Laura entering Brookhaven Hospital from the bushes on the left.
- Removed debug numbers displayed behind wallpapers in Blue Creek Apartments’ Clock Room.
- Resolved an issue with James not being able to leave the 3F corridor in the Lakeview Hotel.
- Fixed an issue with the lightbulb on the 3rd floor of Blue Creek Apartments constantly switching on and being impervious to destruction.
- Resolved an issue with the small coffee table blocking James in the corner of the room located in Woodside Apartments.
- Fixed an issue where after completing the Disgust Path in Labyrinth, the player was forced to do it all over again.
- Fixed an issue with Spider Mannequins getting stuck when attacking James while he is going through squeeze traversal.
- Fixed an issue with James getting stuck in the window frame while attacking Lying Figures located outside of the window.
- Added more natural movement for James when switching weapons while aiming.
- Fixed an issue with triggering Spider Mannequin event on Fear Path in the Labyrinth multiple times.
- Improved the ability to pick up items during the final boss fight.
- Fixed an issue with picture frames overlapping in the Moth Room.
- Improved the deformation of Nurses’ skirts.
- Fixed an issue occurring when displaying the information about unlocking NewGame+ which didn’t appear in the player’s chosen language.
- Fixed visible unloading of the door of an abandoned garage in the west side of South Vale.
- Fixed question mark on the map during Chute Puzzle in Woodside Apartments.
Bojji
Member
Amazing patch, DLSS frame gen is what I needed.Update 1.04 is out!
Silent Hill 2 Update 1.04 Live, Here's What It Does
A new Silent Hill 2 update has been released by Konami and Bloober Team on PS5 and PC alongside patch notes.
Steam Patch Notes
- Reduced visual glitches when using the latest version of NVIDIA DLSS.
- Added an option to enable DLSS frame generation in the menu when using DLSS for supersampling.
- NVIDIA Reflex is now active when DLSS frame generation is enabled.
- Added support for AMD FSR 3.1.1.
- Added an option to enable AMD Fluid Motion Frames in the menu when using FSR 3.1 for supersampling.
- Updated Intel Nanites to support upcoming driver updates.
- Improved performance and optimization for Steam Deck.
- Fixed stuttering issues related to sky map generation.
- Added an option to enable/disable HZB culling to fix stuttering on some AMD/Intel GPUs.
- All graphic settings should be saved locally.
- Fixed an issue with translation for UI “High” preset not being translated and displayed correctly.
- Fixed an issue with Wooden Plank appearing during James’ death animation.
- Fixed streaming issue where staring at the walls inside the Grand Market caused problems with loading all of the environment around James.
- Fixed an issue where interacting with the wrong side of the peephole in Brookhaven Hospital teleported James to the other side.
- Fixed an issue where breaking windows near Neely’s Bar got James stuck in the window frame.
- Fixed an issue that allowed James to access the inaccessible balcony in Blue Creek Apartments.
- Fixed an issue with Abstract Daddy’s behavior during boss fight where the enemy was not hitting James properly.
- Fixed multiple issues with Abstract Daddy’s 3rd TV – it should now have the correct audio, and the wall won’t interfere with its position.
- Fixed an issue with a question mark from the Conference Room not disappearing after obtaining Cinderella figurine in Lakeview Hotel.
- Fixed an issue with collision detection with the Dayroom walls in Brookhaven Hospital.
- Fixed an issue where James was falling under the map when approaching Laura entering Brookhaven Hospital from the bushes on the left.
- Removed debug numbers displayed behind wallpapers in Blue Creek Apartments’ Clock Room.
- Resolved an issue with James not being able to leave the 3F corridor in the Lakeview Hotel.
- Fixed an issue with the lightbulb on the 3rd floor of Blue Creek Apartments constantly switching on and being impervious to destruction.
- Resolved an issue with the small coffee table blocking James in the corner of the room located in Woodside Apartments.
- Fixed an issue where after completing the Disgust Path in Labyrinth, the player was forced to do it all over again.
- Fixed an issue with Spider Mannequins getting stuck when attacking James while he is going through squeeze traversal.
- Fixed an issue with James getting stuck in the window frame while attacking Lying Figures located outside of the window.
- Added more natural movement for James when switching weapons while aiming.
- Fixed an issue with triggering Spider Mannequin event on Fear Path in the Labyrinth multiple times.
- Improved the ability to pick up items during the final boss fight.
- Fixed an issue with picture frames overlapping in the Moth Room.
- Improved the deformation of Nurses’ skirts.
- Fixed an issue occurring when displaying the information about unlocking NewGame+ which didn’t appear in the player’s chosen language.
- Fixed visible unloading of the door of an abandoned garage in the west side of South Vale.
- Fixed question mark on the map during Chute Puzzle in Woodside Apartments.
PS5 PATCH NOTES
- Fixed some rare crash in AI.
- Fixed some rare crash with texture binding.
- Fixed some rare crash in streaming.
- Fixed some rare crash in audio portal update.
- Fixed an issue with the option of switching In Game Motion Blur.
- Fixed an issue with translation for UI “High” preset not being translated and displayed correctly.
- Fixed an issue with Wooden Plank appearing during James’ death animation.
- Fixed streaming issue where staring at the walls inside the Grand Market caused problems with loading all of the environment around James.
- Fixed an issue where interacting with the wrong side of the peephole in Brookhaven Hospital teleported James to the other side.
- Fixed an issue where breaking windows near Neely’s Bar got James stuck in the window frame.
- Fixed an issue that allowed James to access the inaccessible balcony in Blue Creek Apartments.
- Fixed an issue with Abstract Daddy’s behavior during boss fight where the enemy was not hitting James properly.
- Fixed multiple issues with Abstract Daddy’s 3rd TV – it should now have the correct audio, and the wall won’t interfere with its position.
- Fixed an issue with a question mark from the Conference Room not disappearing after obtaining Cinderella figurine in Lakeview Hotel.
- Fixed an issue with collision detection with the Dayroom walls in Brookhaven Hospital.
- Fixed an issue where James was falling under the map when approaching Laura entering Brookhaven Hospital from the bushes on the left.
- Removed debug numbers displayed behind wallpapers in Blue Creek Apartments’ Clock Room.
- Resolved an issue with James not being able to leave the 3F corridor in the Lakeview Hotel.
- Fixed an issue with the lightbulb on the 3rd floor of Blue Creek Apartments constantly switching on and being impervious to destruction.
- Resolved an issue with the small coffee table blocking James in the corner of the room located in Woodside Apartments.
- Fixed an issue where after completing the Disgust Path in Labyrinth, the player was forced to do it all over again.
- Fixed an issue with Spider Mannequins getting stuck when attacking James while he is going through squeeze traversal.
- Fixed an issue with James getting stuck in the window frame while attacking Lying Figures located outside of the window.
- Added more natural movement for James when switching weapons while aiming.
- Fixed an issue with triggering Spider Mannequin event on Fear Path in the Labyrinth multiple times.
- Improved the ability to pick up items during the final boss fight.
- Fixed an issue with picture frames overlapping in the Moth Room.
- Improved the deformation of Nurses’ skirts.
- Fixed an issue occurring when displaying the information about unlocking NewGame+ which didn’t appear in the player’s chosen language.
- Fixed visible unloading of the door of an abandoned garage in the west side of South Vale.
- Fixed question mark on the map during Chute Puzzle in Woodside Apartments.
Stutter seem to be reduced:
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Stutters are gone, but even before this update, of late, I've been getting that UE crash note after I close the game. A tad frustrating!
Bojji
Member
Same here.
I think what is left are actual (rare) traversal stutters while they removed stutters from something completely else:
- Fixed stuttering issues related to sky map generation.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
shots fired to boogaga?