Which platform ? (I guess PC)The game at least looks great
[Digital Foundry] Metal Gear Solid Delta - PS5/ PS5 Pro Tech Review - A Beautiful UE5 Remake With Frame-Rate Issues
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Spiral1407
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My problem is that this is just another game on the pile of unoptimised UE5 remake sludge.
I mean this is MGS3 for god's sake. The game design dates back to the PS2 era and the maps are mostly small static rooms.
It should have been a slam dunk, but they still managed to fuck it up. And they're selling it for £70 too.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Already played MGS3 twice so have no interest in this- too many new games coming out.
This is easy money for Konami. Just remake everything!
This is easy money for Konami. Just remake everything!
owandeseis
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Avowed's the clear winner there, while not perfect it runs quite well and stutter is hardly noticeable after the first time you check the city
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
If memory serves it was practically impossible to patch PS2 games unless you wanted to print new disks.
spookyfish
Gold Member
I have STARTED it twice or maybe three times, so I'm kind of looking forward to this.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
DanielG165
Member
He's correct in this case. If your machine is marketed as, "Pro", then all apps should allow for people to tinker and mess with settings how they see fit. Don't be a developer that gives the end user one umbrella graphical setting, just because you think you know better. In the case of Snake Eater, it's clear that the developer didn't know better.
This is not gonna go down well.
Absolutely appalling result for this game.
Spiral1407
Member
Funnily enough, M$ tried to do something similar during the 7th gen and it failed spectacularly. The 360 was supposed to run all games at 1280x720 with 2xFSAA, but even their own in-house games failed to hit that target (Halo 3). So by 2009, the requirements were dropped completely and no-one's tried to do a similar thing since then.
The problem with the idea is that the Sony/M$ aren't gonna miss out on huge titles if the developer of said game flat out refuses to make adjustments. Unless Sony takes a zero tolerance stance on these requirements, it will probably fall apart again if implemented.
Gonzito
Gold Member
I saw them in Twitter. Judging by the quality they look from pc but I am no sure, the poster didnt mention it
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The game looks nice on all platforms going by the media, at least.
But yeah .. performance is leaving a lot to be desired. Especially as this isn't even a big cohesive world with tons of AI routines like Oblivion, each area is it's own self contained zone with separate loading intervals.
This should be doing better.
fastest finger
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Except with Witcher 4 CDPR are leading development on console then scaling up for PC, rather than starting on PC and scaling down for console as they did previously.
darrylgorn
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Horseganador
Member
It seems that all versions will be a disaster in performance and resolution on consoles (we will see on PC) and instead of blaming the developers for poor work and releasing the game in poor condition, some blame it on PS5-PS5pro.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
ecosse_011172
Banned
See, Kojima ruins everything.
darrylgorn
Member
I embraced 1080p, 60fps 5 or so years ago and am consistently vindicated.
High Prophet of Regret
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owandeseis
Member
Sure during some stutter moment and probably on the first run on that city.
That area is really CPU hungry and consoles and PC's with similar CPU struggle, that happens on many games lately, BG3 or Starfield also have that problem with different engines.
But the reality is that 99% of the time it plays at high 50's FPS, and 30-40 FPS modes are pretty much locked outside of that part of the game.
It's a game with several noticeable flaws, but the technical aspect is one of it's bright sides imo
That area is really CPU hungry and consoles and PC's with similar CPU struggle, that happens on many games lately, BG3 or Starfield also have that problem with different engines.
But the reality is that 99% of the time it plays at high 50's FPS, and 30-40 FPS modes are pretty much locked outside of that part of the game.
It's a game with several noticeable flaws, but the technical aspect is one of it's bright sides imo
viveks86
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That's because the barrels aren't red for maximum performance!
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
I just keep hyper-focusing on those furrowed brow creases in his bandana. Like how jacked are his wrinkles to be able to pull at a bandana to this degree?
//DEVIL//
Member
If I have to guess, its probably sony policy that didn't allow konami to have the same res at the PS5 version as one of their policy. I assume if the game used the PS5 unlocked version on the PS5 pro, they would have locked 60 fps at least on the pro.
leave it to Sony to be stupid like usual, and Konami's incompetence to lock a 2004 game to a 60 fps and its not even an open world game.
The other thread saying they are teaching younger devs and training them to continue the series.. please don't teach anyone anything. Monkeys can probably do a better job than this.
also, fuck epic and its Unreal Engine while we are at it. piece of shit engine. I am 100% positive that 90% of the talent in the video game industry is gone and doing small, solo indie projects.
Devs used to create their own engine, their own art, and tricks to optimize performance and lighting to make it look photo realistic. now? They probably cry if they hear the word engine.
leave it to Sony to be stupid like usual, and Konami's incompetence to lock a 2004 game to a 60 fps and its not even an open world game.
The other thread saying they are teaching younger devs and training them to continue the series.. please don't teach anyone anything. Monkeys can probably do a better job than this.
also, fuck epic and its Unreal Engine while we are at it. piece of shit engine. I am 100% positive that 90% of the talent in the video game industry is gone and doing small, solo indie projects.
Devs used to create their own engine, their own art, and tricks to optimize performance and lighting to make it look photo realistic. now? They probably cry if they hear the word engine.
Madserb2023
Member
The problem to me with the Unreal engine is that the discussion is the inverse of the PS3. That was about Devs having to deal with something that was very complex with little documentation as to why performance wasn't good. Just looking at the comments on this forum, the defence is that its intuitive, loads of documentation, can make a game in an hour, but has performance issues. That's actually worse. It points to something more integral with the engine. It would be better if it was due to not knowing how to get performance out of it.
simpatico
Member
But imo, even though it runs consistently, the visuals don't match the hardware required. All that says is if you dumb it all the way down you can get passable results. I'd like to see that kind of perf in a game that is actually visually awesome. Avowed could easily pass for a PS4 game in any non cherry picked scene.
I think a layman, who didn't know to look in the nook and crannies, would rate UC4, Arkham Knight, Control and more PS4 titles higher than Avowed if polled.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Anvil, Snowdrop, Frostbite, Northlight, RAGE, and Cry Engine (KCD2), Decima are all custom engines.
Some devs have gotten a lot out of UE5. Some havent. It's a dev issue like you said. Lack of talent. Lack of experience. Lack of common sense.
//DEVIL//
Member
When was the last time the RAGE ? 2018 with RDR2 ?
These engines ( if i am not mistaken ) are private engines to EA /Ubisoft / Sony, etc, but for many other studios, they have to rely on a third party engine these days. but this wasnt the case before ( again because of lack of talent ). the engine that ran metal gear solid ? silent hill ? old mortal kombat games, tekken games and million of others.
these games now use some form of unreal engine or third party engine. Mortal kombat 1 performance even on a high end pc was shit at release. didnt touch the game after i finished it so i dont know how bad is it now.
but yes in general, the talent is gone. unreal engine isnt easy to develop too. Everything keeps on adding up to be the worst generation of all times and the future doesnt even look any better.
Kerotan
Member
American account. Worked out as €68 with the exchange rate. It would have cost me €90 buying it in the EU.
Anthony Soprano
Member
Gaming sucks right now in regards to fidelity.
Damned if you buy a console; expect set it and forget it and jump in, but runs like shit.
Damned if you buy a PC; spend 1.5 to 2 times more money to avoid having to deal with low res and fake frame generation bullshit, then the GPU melts and burns your house down.
You would think the internet's free public reviews and in-depth technical game analysis exposing games running poorly would make a difference. It should sway people to vote with their wallet, but it doesn't. Gamers should be putting pressure on legislation for better consumer rights in the digital space when buying products that perform like shit, like extended and flexible refund policies.
Damned if you buy a console; expect set it and forget it and jump in, but runs like shit.
Damned if you buy a PC; spend 1.5 to 2 times more money to avoid having to deal with low res and fake frame generation bullshit, then the GPU melts and burns your house down.
You would think the internet's free public reviews and in-depth technical game analysis exposing games running poorly would make a difference. It should sway people to vote with their wallet, but it doesn't. Gamers should be putting pressure on legislation for better consumer rights in the digital space when buying products that perform like shit, like extended and flexible refund policies.
bender
What time is it?
StreetsofBeige
Member
At least PS5 Pro has higher res than PS5 OG. lol
Interestingly, PS5 Perf mode still has way higher res than Pro despite being half the frames. You'd think Pro would be able to brute force gains in everything over PS5 OG modes.
Interestingly, PS5 Perf mode still has way higher res than Pro despite being half the frames. You'd think Pro would be able to brute force gains in everything over PS5 OG modes.
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Rocco Schiavone
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Meanwhile Battlefield 6 runs at much higher framerate on pro with all destruction higher player counts and huge Maps.
In this technical marvel you just need an exploding barrel to tank the framerate.
People are still saying It's a CPU issue?? What are you smoking??
In this technical marvel you just need an exploding barrel to tank the framerate.
People are still saying It's a CPU issue?? What are you smoking??
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
cash_longfellow
Member
I'm to the point where I just flat out don't buy a game if there are frame issues anymore. It's 2025, if a dev can't figure it out, they aren't getting my money…and that's on release, fuck paying to be a beta tester for these companies.
R6Rider
Gold Member
The CPU argue is rarely true. Hell you can look back at Battlefield V on PS4. 64 players, vehicles, destruction, explosions, large maps and at 60fps.Meanwhile Battlefield 6 runs at much higher framerate on pro with all destruction higher player counts and huge Maps.
In this technical marvel you just need an exploding barrel to tank the framerate.
People are still saying It's a CPU issue?? What are you smoking??
kingwingin
Member
Wow. Definite skip, maybe I'll buy it in a couple of years if the ps6 can brute force it to a solid 60.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Im not buying until it's fixed. There's so much to play that I can't burn money on this no matter how much I love metal gear.
Even a day one patch to add quality mode on pro locking to 30fps with good frame pacing id buy for.
I don't expect the 60fps to ever work on pro now for this game lol.
Even a day one patch to add quality mode on pro locking to 30fps with good frame pacing id buy for.
I don't expect the 60fps to ever work on pro now for this game lol.
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PeteBull
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Nothing, obviously
Chan
Member
Me neither. I still regret having bought the Oblivion remake from these guys. Lesson learned.
viveks86
Member
Same here. No issues playing at 30 as UE5 games tend to be quite good with the motion blur. But I ain't buying till such a patch exists.
Gojiira
Member
No, shitty devs and shitty UE5 pissing on legendary games. Get it right.