[Digital Foundry] Metal Gear Solid Delta - PS5/ PS5 Pro Tech Review - A Beautiful UE5 Remake With Frame-Rate Issues
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Bojji
Gold Member
Yes, and this is what he says as well.
But it's also on Sony, no game should be allowed to be worse on Pro than on regular PS5, IN ANY WAY.
Yet, Sony allows this...
Another thing, Sony should support 120Hz system wide because devs can't be bothered to implement it.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This game uses UE5?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
True.
As long as the Series X version isn't extra-shitting the bed, it's inherent 120hz support will make VRR play a lot more viable in Performance mode.
On PS5 any time it goes below 48hz, VRR is basically 'off'. And going by the DF video, it goes below 48 quite a bunch.
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bender
What time is it?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
PERFECT post! This image is the new poster child for Remake vs. Remaster!
Seomel
Member
Game is made by virtuos, guys who did recent Oblivion remake
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
bender
What time is it?
Or go under water
Or play Konami games without M2 attached to the project.
High Prophet of Regret
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Bubbles are hard to render ok?
Zacfoldor
Member
Sometimes it is better to not know these things and just enjoy the game.
Plenty of people loved the Oblivion remake and wouldn't even know there was an issue if it wasn't pointed out to them.
I bet it runs perfectly fine on pro and is a great time.
When you are young you think knowing things is nothing but an improvement to your life. However, as you age you will learn that sometimes not knowing things is better. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. I'm sure that most people here are old enough to have at least felt that to be true at one point or another in life. The more wisdom you get the more true it becomes.
You really can't tell anything from this, you will develop your takeaway and perhaps it will be slightly accurate if you are lucky. Wouldn't it be better to judge for yourself. There are no major issues here. You will be able to complete the game. If the game is as good as I remember you are in for a treat. To let a little bullshit performance video on an unreleased unpatched game influence your buying decision because you don't like the dynamic resolution scaling is crazy. Especially when you consider what we put up with for our entire lives on other devices. This is better than all that. Sometimes it is good to get out of your own neurosis and just do things for fun. It will make you love the hobby again. What if
adamsapple
skipped Oblivion remaster because he watched a performance video? How sad would that be to miss such a great experience over a video that someone made to make a living?
Plenty of people loved the Oblivion remake and wouldn't even know there was an issue if it wasn't pointed out to them.
I bet it runs perfectly fine on pro and is a great time.
When you are young you think knowing things is nothing but an improvement to your life. However, as you age you will learn that sometimes not knowing things is better. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. I'm sure that most people here are old enough to have at least felt that to be true at one point or another in life. The more wisdom you get the more true it becomes.
You really can't tell anything from this, you will develop your takeaway and perhaps it will be slightly accurate if you are lucky. Wouldn't it be better to judge for yourself. There are no major issues here. You will be able to complete the game. If the game is as good as I remember you are in for a treat. To let a little bullshit performance video on an unreleased unpatched game influence your buying decision because you don't like the dynamic resolution scaling is crazy. Especially when you consider what we put up with for our entire lives on other devices. This is better than all that. Sometimes it is good to get out of your own neurosis and just do things for fun. It will make you love the hobby again. What if
adamsapple
skipped Oblivion remaster because he watched a performance video? How sad would that be to miss such a great experience over a video that someone made to make a living?
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High Prophet of Regret
Member
Do I need to post that gif again? Game does not run 'perfectly fine' on PS5 Pro.
bender
What time is it?
What if
Oblivion and great experience, Oblivion and great experience, Oblivion and great exp...
Arsic
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Boggles the mind they didn't do a 1440p upscale to 4k locked 30fps quality mode on pro…
viveks86
Member
Which is why I don't believe for one second that they would make PS6 handheld support mandatory. It's just not their style.
Imagine all these devs releasing sub 30 fps or sub 460p stutter fests just to check a box for the handheld.
Hmmm.. Come to think of it, that's exactly what devs will do...
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blue velvet
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No matter how incompetent and inept a developer can be, this shouldn't be happening on a game with level design divided by small sections. It's not even your typical modern linear TPS game, a game designed on a hardware with 32 MB ram and a 4MB VRAM. This is an engine issue, no matter how much people try to deny the fact.
UE is only good when taking screenshots, when in motion it's the most ugly smeared piece of shit you'll ever see in your life. All that lumen, RT and nanite shit are pointless when your screen is getting smeared by TAA and DLSS and other upscaling technique artifacts. Let's not even talk about the performance issues and amount of stuttering and traversal stutters this engine has. Can't believe people are promoting it and devs are scrapping their in house tech for UE. #BANUE5
UE is only good when taking screenshots, when in motion it's the most ugly smeared piece of shit you'll ever see in your life. All that lumen, RT and nanite shit are pointless when your screen is getting smeared by TAA and DLSS and other upscaling technique artifacts. Let's not even talk about the performance issues and amount of stuttering and traversal stutters this engine has. Can't believe people are promoting it and devs are scrapping their in house tech for UE. #BANUE5
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Radical_3d
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It's tempting to blame Virtuos (not very virtuous of them, hehe) but this engine it's consistently failing anyone that hasn't go in depth with the engine or has someone inside Epic lending a hand to make that BS run. Would it be better with any other engine? Probably not, the devs don't have a good track either. But that doesn't nullifies the fact that UE5 is something to be avoided by anyone that doesn't have a ridiculous budget for tech.
yogaflame
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They say that RTGI is to early for this generation, but in my opinion and I notice majority of games with technical issues are multiplatform games while exclusives are most of the time technically impressive and well optimize. I think this is one of the strengths of exclusives, if a game is exclusive for example to Sony or to Xbox or Nintendo, they can really harness the power of a specific console, concentrate all resources, time, manpower, tools, and funding on a specific console which makes the game well optimize. It goes back again the importance of exclusives, not just for better competition and allot of choices, but also technical quality.
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Jinzo Prime
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I wish Decima was released and licensed like Unreal 5.
Lagspike_exe
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Decima smokes UE5 and it's not even close.
playbignbox
Member
PS5 Pro is a joke.
roque-swarm
Neo Member
FFXVI ran at 720p with freaking FSR1 and it still dropped below 60fps
Not to mention the blur-o vision that was Rebirth that had to be "fixed" with the PS5 Pro aka PC style brute forcing.
STALKER 2 and Avowed ran pretty badly on even the Series X
Not that it matters anyway, game are too expensive these days too keep exclusive to one platform and cut out a large chunk of your audience unless somebody (a platform holder) is paying you to do it.
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
Most UE5 games look great in stills. But motion... good luck.The game at least looks great
Bojji
Gold Member
Decima runs better but it's also not doing half the stuff UE5 games are calculating...
Yep, look at poor Series S.
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Kerotan
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Would you expect it to get a decent upgrade on ps6? UE6 next gen has a lot to prove.
Spiral1407
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And yet games on Decima manage to look much better than the average UE5 lumen/nanite slop. Makes you wonder why we even need all these new bells and whistles...
Depends on how big the hardware upgrade is. But after the shit-show that was this gen, I doubt I'll be buying another console anyways.
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Kerotan
Member
Series S could set a new record.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Well, yeah, Decima games probably average a budget of $100M.
Bojji
Gold Member
That's subjective.
Decima games don't have good lighting and shadowing. DS2 and FW both look cross gen, still very nice thanks to art, textures and models but cross gen for sure...
UE5 games can LOOK much better than them, but problem is in performance: this engine is still broken on fundamental level in some aspects and only current 5.6 version (and future ones) promise some big improvements in those aspects.
We have games that are much more modern than Decima and still run much better than UE5 - Avatar and Outlaws on Snowdrop engine.
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Kerotan
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It should run a solid 60 on ps6 at least at a higher resolution.
Wat. From what I seen IQ is a lot better with PSSR. Ok complain about the fps drops but stop people to toss shit about everything in the ps5 pro version jeesh. Anyway force 60 fps with UE5 is stupid as hell in such machine especially if you can't mandate a steady performance, those developers are incredibly idiotic.That fucking unreal engine in combination with PSSR ruining every game...
I still love my pro because of the excellent upgrades Sonys exclusive games got. But they use different engines...
First Silent Hill 2, now this. I have no hope for Silent Hill f...
They should at least offer something like a base mode that disables all Pro features and runs the game like on a base PS5!
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Lagspike_exe
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That's the point. It means the rendering approach UE is using is too heavy on the hardware considering the results it is producing. Having the most "sophisticated" approach is not always the best one.
Bojji
Gold Member
It's better in some aspects (aliasing, disocclusion) and worse in others (stability of lumen and AO).
But Decima games this gen are literally Gen 8 games but in higher resolutions and framerates. There is nothing utilising "next gen" hardware in them.
Other developers could do the same thing and use PS4 engines with unlocked framerates and higher resolution = Boom! You have good performance and gamers are happy but this is not magic. And many Sony developers (outside of IG) are doing exactly that.
We want next gen games or PS4 games in 1440p and 60fps?
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can you show me please that dramatic worse difference with the TSR? I'm ready to laugh because lumen and AO are not particularly stable even with TSR. I have great doubt IQ on ps5 base has a more stable IQ.
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Wow. Seems almost this machine needs an AI upscaler.
Bojji
Gold Member
Dramatic? No, but it is more unstable with PSSR vs. TSR:
Timestamped, behind the stair railing. PSSR should be better in all aspects but it isn't, it's a trade off.
Mafia? It uses quality mode of the base ps5 on perfomance mode on pro hardware or it's what DF said...
Topher
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Yeah, Sony has a responsibility to Pro owners to deliver on their promises and we are further and further away from those promises. PS5 Quality mode at 60fps. That's what I thought I was buying and would have been completely happy with that, but this ain't that.
Going to be interesting to see what Ghost of Yotei looks like in October.
I see a blurred image on the left and sharper on the right, so for you it's better a murky picture in motion because there is less shimmering? If you show this clip to any common mortal will point to you it's better on the right but sure let's focus only on the shimmering/flickering lol (which are present with TSR too mostly masked to the blurred pattern).
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hopefully in 26 it'll get better but right now I'm feeling the same
Uh IQ not seems that bad on the Pro. The only stupid thing is force 60 fps as the only choice. UE5 can't run at 60 fps with such CPU.PS5: 720p/low setting/40-60fps or 1080p/high setting/30fps *TSR
PS5 Pro: 750p/high setting/40-60fps *PSSR
If the resolution is too low, no upscaler will be able to output 4K clearly.
No matter how next-gen the graphics are, they're a blurry mess when rendered at 700p.
Bojji
Gold Member
Yotei is last gen essentially so it should be fine even on base PS5 (1440p, 60?).
Sony have to allow every game to release on their consoles, they see Delta performing like shit on their most powerful console and they are ok with this?
I played quite a few games on PS5 Pro that are quire distracting with that noise, looks at Hell is Us demo for example. Sometimes slightly more blurred image is better than one with flickering/noise.
What noise? Raytracing or low precision effects adds noise not PSSR for sure. And blurred image is not absolutely better to hide noise.
Again I'd like to see a whole clip where you show the IQ with the PSSR is worse than TSR instead to show a zoom of a microfraction of the screen to point out a microflaw.
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Bojji
Gold Member
DF, me and others see this noise but you don't? Ok.
Play Hell is Us demo and try PSSR on/off, if you don't see more noise with PSSR on then you are officially blind.