Naked Prime
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Do we know if the WiiU will let you watch videos off of your home network like the PS3 & 360 does?
Rumor: Wii U final specs
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Would be surprised if it had dlna support.
We don't know but knowing Nintendo it's extremely unlikely.
Christberg
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Native DLNA support is unlikely but with how capable the browser is, somebody will hack it in that way pretty much guaranteed.
Naked Prime
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yeah thats the sad truth I'm leaning towards. WiiU is gonna replace my 360 as my all in one box (fuck paying for Live to use other services I already pay for) for TV. I was hoping to expand it to my collection on my PC. But I can hope.
Also....do we think after some time 3rd party Gamepads might see the light of day? I can see little changes like capcitive or multi touch (not sure it would be more than a bullet point on the back of the box), higher dpi screen, being able to use the built in mic for ingame chat, increased range (though I suspect someone might make an attempt at Gamepad range extenders) etc. Though I'll laugh my ass off if I see a MadCatz brand Gamepad feat. Beats by Dre audio
MadCatz is bringing a FightStick over, as well as a WiiU version of their Black Ops / FPS Pro controller.
The switches let you assign the extra buttons to decrease stick sensitivity when held, or double as other buttons on the controller.
Apophis2036
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Does that controller have analogue triggers ?, looks better than the official 'pro controller' imo.
Also never seen it available for pre order yet.
Also never seen it available for pre order yet.
Thinking about it again, there might be a slim possibility I guess that something like Plex comes to Wii U. With Nintendo moving a little more into media, and being more open to small devs (it seems) maybe they'd allow it. Thing is, it would be DRM free and Nintendo seem to be real sticklers for locking down content.
Smiles and Cries
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MadCatz is bringing a FightStick over, as well as a WiiU version of their Black Ops / FPS Pro controller.
The switches let you assign the extra buttons to decrease stick sensitivity when held, or double as other buttons on the controller.
why are things like this hidden in this thread. I just spend over $100 on amazon yesterday trying to get new controllers for my Wii U. I wish I knew this was coming
I'm sure someone will make a media server program that supports Wii U, or add the support to an already existing one. People did that with all the other consoles, including Wii. Having an HTML5-capable browser will make it even easier. DLNA is just one method of getting content playing on a device, it's not the only way to go about it.
Smurfman256
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Yes, but remeber: IT'S MADCATZ!! Their controllers are craaaaaaaaaaaaap! Wouldn't be suprised if the analog sticks gave out after a month of regular use.
lunchwithyuzo
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MH3U doesn't have it ostensibly because they want people to buy the (offline) 3DS version as a companion release. LAME :/
I thought Rayman Legends was confirmed though?
Smurfman256
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In a sense; yes it was. At E3 (if I remember correctly), you could play on either the TV or the GamePad.
Saint Gregory
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Is that person's hands huge or is that controller tiny?
My SFIV TE fightsticks are still going strong after 4 years. They're better build quality than my Hori stick IMO.
MadeInBeats
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I almost blew a fiver... yes, a whole 5 pounds, on a USB Ethernet for the Wii / preparation for the U, the other day. I was running Speedtest.net on the Wii's browser and getting downloads of about 3Mbps... wasn't until I moved it right next to the router and realised the Wii's connection maxes out at around 3.6Mbps anyway!!!
What a waste of money that would have been.
What a waste of money that would have been.
ShadowFox08
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Hey guys,
one of my friend's has a really interesting question(that I would like to know as well!) for the hardware gurus of this forum..
He says, "We all know that framerate drops occur when the hardware can't handle the game. Take a pc for example. If your setup can't handle the game at a certain graphics setting, then framerate drops will occur. Tone down the settings, or beef up the hardware, and you solve the problem. How will this work on Wii U with Wii games that pushed the Wii too hard and caused framerate drops? The Wii U will have more than enough horsepower to run the games. So if MW3 can't hold 30fps (the max for that game) on the Wii because the Wii can't handle it, will it hold 30fps on the Wii U with the beefed up hardware? I don't know that it will, but I can't think of a reason as to why it wouldn't."
Can anyone answer this?
one of my friend's has a really interesting question(that I would like to know as well!) for the hardware gurus of this forum..
He says, "We all know that framerate drops occur when the hardware can't handle the game. Take a pc for example. If your setup can't handle the game at a certain graphics setting, then framerate drops will occur. Tone down the settings, or beef up the hardware, and you solve the problem. How will this work on Wii U with Wii games that pushed the Wii too hard and caused framerate drops? The Wii U will have more than enough horsepower to run the games. So if MW3 can't hold 30fps (the max for that game) on the Wii because the Wii can't handle it, will it hold 30fps on the Wii U with the beefed up hardware? I don't know that it will, but I can't think of a reason as to why it wouldn't."
Can anyone answer this?
H_Prestige
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Does the Wii let you do this? If not, 99.9% likely the Wii U won't either.
Smurfman256
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I think that Wii-mode will be like GameCube-mode; the hardware will be locked at the performance of the Wii to provide the most accurate playback.
plagiarize
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NO ONE HAS TO GUESS. IT IS 1080p AND 60FPS. You do not need a source for this anymore. Just go to your local Gamestop and play it.
there is no reason any more for this nonsense about Rayman Legends being anything other than 1080p and 60fps to persist. there are literally hundreds of public demo stations running the game now.
in 1080p and 60fps.
This is what I'll be waiting for. NintendoTVii integration would be slick as hell, but I won't hold my breath on that one. Still it would be nice to have all my ripped DVDs listed there as well.
lightchris
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It's very likely that Wii U will accurately emulate the Wii (mostly at a hardware level). That includes framedrops.
Getting rid of framedrops would be very hard to achieve. It's neither done by Wii -> GC or PS2 -> PS1 backwards compatibility nor in most emulators on PC.
Smurfman256
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http://gamingbolt.com/nano-assault-neo-dev-impressed-with-the-wii-u-power
Apaprently Nintendo knew of the bottlenecks of the system and provided devs ways on how to bypass them with minimal work.
EDIT: Apparently the game also only uses ONE CORE.
Apaprently Nintendo knew of the bottlenecks of the system and provided devs ways on how to bypass them with minimal work.
EDIT: Apparently the game also only uses ONE CORE.
lunchwithyuzo
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You 99.9% think Wii U is going to be limited to what Wii set as precedent?
The Elite
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Doesn't tekken tag have it? I'm pretty sure they've shown that feature.
I wouldn't say that based on what they said.
tkscz
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If you had supported videos on an SD card, the Wii would let you play them via the photo channel.
MadCatz is bringing a FightStick over, as well as a WiiU version of their Black Ops / FPS Pro controller.
The switches let you assign the extra buttons to decrease stick sensitivity when held, or double as other buttons on the controller.
I actually really like the look of this controller, it also seems to have analog triggers instead of digital triggers. Probably won't do anything different, but maybe they'll let us use it on PC too.
JordanN
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Not the whole game.
"For instance, with only some tiny changes we were able to optimize certain heavy load parts of the rendering pipeline to 6x of the original speed, and that was even without using any of the extra cores."
PhoenixDawn
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I think Rayman definitely has to have off-TV considering that you can play it without looking at the TV at all of the demo stations at retailers now. Well, you can do everything besides the controlling Murfy part where you have to rotate the platforms for Rayman to jump on, but outside of that it was all visible and playable on the Gamepad alone.
No, there's a difference between how the Wii/GC and WiiU/Wii BC operate. The Wii's CPU and GPU are literally just overclocked versions of the same components in the Gamecube, so when the Wii is playing GC games, all it has to do is clock down the CPU and GPU by one third and it basically just becomes a Gamecube, and hence experiences the same frame drops and performance issues.
The Wii U is a different thing altogether. Even though the CPU is reportedly based on the Wii's Broadway, just clocking down to 729MHz and running the code on one of the cores won't result in identical performance, as the significantly increased cache and possible microarchitectural changes could certainly affect how well CPU-limited games run.
The GPU is a bigger issue, as the Wii U's GPU is of a completely different architecture to the Wii's. I think this quote from the Wii U Iwata Asks is relevant:
Shiota said:
(He's talking about IBM and/or AMD designers here)
I take this to mean that the Wii U's GPU doesn't have TEV hardware, but is configured to run Wii's graphics code natively (or easily emulate the Wii's GPU). Once you're running code on hardware it's not written for, it's very likely that performance won't be 100% identical to the original hardware. Given Nintendo's attitude on VC games, I would fully expect them to err on the side of improved performance.
Long story short, it's quite possible that the Wii U could play Wii games at improved framerates, but I wouldn't expect any major difference.
pikmin probably because of the stupid New play controls style gyro aiming. It'd be trivial to fall back to analogue stick aiming when on the game pad.
bah, if Nintendo themselves aren't even going to push for off-TV play on more of their games I'm worried it'll end up being an ignored feature quite quickly.
metalslimer
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Well they have to show off how important the gamepad is so people don't call it a gimmick (although some of the ways they are using it seem like complete gimmicks). I would expect later software to offer off screen play like the new Mario.
lightchris
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And how do you know that Wii U's CPU doesn't also have a fallback mode, an internal switch that makes it behave exactly like Broadway? Depending on how much "enhancements" were actually done to the broadway cores this could be possible, imo.
KojiKnight
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I'm confused... I'd say the far GREATER fear for me is that off-screen gameplay is ALL developers use it for. I don't simply want to play a PS360 game on my tablet
It would have to disable most of the cache, which, though not impossible, would be rather pointless. Even if it did, the Wii U CPU has a modern eDRAM cache, so it's going to behave differently to the older SRAM cache in Broadway. The differences will be barely noticeable, but it's not going to be 100% identical from a functional standpoint. In any case, it's the GPU situation that's more likely to result in performance changes.
There was an update today on the extensive interview of Shin'en available here, (it got its own thread made by EC, here)
I copy/paste a few excerpts of the interesting and clearly reassuring answers pertaining to the Wii U power:
There's a few others, i put the new answer of today about resolution, anti-aliasing:
Clearly comforting on the technical side
I copy/paste a few excerpts of the interesting and clearly reassuring answers pertaining to the Wii U power:
There's a few others, i put the new answer of today about resolution, anti-aliasing:
Clearly comforting on the technical side
Apophis2036
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I'm confused... I'd say the far GREATER fear for me is that off-screen gameplay is ALL developers use it for. I don't simply want to play a PS360 game on my tablet
Im the opposite tbh, i thought off screen play would be hard coded into every single game developed for WiiU like Achievements are for the 360.
Don't see what's so hard about putting it in every game, at least as an option.
Games like ZombiU would show the inventory ect when you were playing on the main TV and if you used off screen play you would just do the stuff on the *Tablet.
If one of either PS4 or 720 don't come with a tablet controller i can see third party developers quickly dropping support as they run out of ideas.
*Edit
Wrote TV instead of Tablet lol.
Dark-Cloudz
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Maybe Because their texture resolution wasn't significant enough to make a difference in 1080p? In which case, design a better game and don't use old assets!
I don't know enough about this - you clearly are the man when it comes to 720-->1080 conversions!!
Trine 2 dev also told me in September that they could do 1080p, but that would take some more time and effort. They prefer to use that time and budget to optimize other parts of the game.
They had the game ported from pc to Wii U in 2 days and it worked. (But that doesn't mean everything was perfect of course)
Apophis2036
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I don't think it really matter if the games are running in 1080p native to most people, esp the average Nintendo fan, like the dev said we have been getting games this gen that ran at sub HD resolutions and most at 30 fps, sometimes even dropping to 25 or under.
720p native / 60 fps is fantastic, esp if they were just going to have to drop back down to 720p from 1080p when next gen multiplatform games start to appear, if they appear.
720p native / 60 fps is fantastic, esp if they were just going to have to drop back down to 720p from 1080p when next gen multiplatform games start to appear, if they appear.
Unless something changed from the screenshots they released earlier, the game would greatly benefit from higher resolution simply in terms of IQ -- even with the same assets. It's really aliased.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Well, apparently they thought they had higher priorities than squeezing the extra performance required for the res jump. That does not mean they did not use (some of) that difference for a better look at the original res. Last but not least, it's a launch game (as in launch day), so no need to be overly-critical of them. IMO, of course.
Christberg
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Let's not take the quote out if context here. What they said is essentially that the extra post FX they were able to achieve by running at 720P made a larger difference than the gain in PQ they got out of running 1080P. Which is a perfectly fine answer IMO.
Plus I dunno how anybody can look at this in motion and say that additional AA would've a "great benefit." That's some serious nitpicking right there.
I'm not really criticizing their accomplishments (Shin'en have always appeared to be very competent), just that one statement. To me it's on the same level as Capcom saying that their 30 FPS title "feels" like 60 FPS. It should be possible to talk about your title and what it does (and doesn't) offer without being unreasonable.
You can call it nitpicking, but I hope you don't think I'm being disingenuous. To me that really does look quite messy in terms of IQ, when scaled to fullscreen. (Note that I prefer using SGSSAA at 2560x1440, since regular MSAA just isn't temporally stable)
The bright shading along the contours of objects (I think this was called rim lighting) increases the aliasing issue IMHO.
I'd be perfectly fine with that. Or even that they considered the post-processing to be more important. Just skip the part about the resolution not being noticeable.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
While I do agree with your general statement, I find nothing unreasonable in Shin'en's answer to that particular question. AAMOF, I think it's an all-in-all great interview, particularly in terms of developer's honesty on matters few devs would be so honest about, even among themselves, and even when taking into account the obligatory platform lip service.
Yes, in screenshots it's all clearly visible (not just from the rim lighting, but from the few instances of objects 'flashing'), but as I stated earlier, it's all below my sensitivity thresholds during gameplay. And I'm not exactly insensitive to such things ; )
KojiKnight
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I hate to be "that guy" in this arguement... but the direct feed footage of it on my 1080p TV I could have easily mistaken for 1080p... super fast motion with a rock solid framerate does hide the imperfections that are VERY obvious from screen shots.
Now if it was 60fps with a very static screen, it would have been a lot more obvious.
Now if it was 60fps with a very static screen, it would have been a lot more obvious.
Christberg
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Exactly the point I'm trying to make. Can I see PQ issues watching the video? Sure. Do I think it's going to matter given that it's a shooter that requires twitch reflexes? Not really. The frame rate, collision detection and control responsiveness are my primary concern here. And I see a buttery smooth 60FPS with almost 0 frame drops.
It's a high contrast game so the aliasing is more noticeable but when you're playing I doubt most folks will care given the amount of concentration these titles require.
Well, every word in this answer is important. They talk of a difference not being distinguishable while playing. Therefore, like you have acknowledged yourself, it's unlikely we would notice the improvement between those resolutions in the middle of a fast paced, frenetic, shoot'em up action.
The explanation is pretty sound and to the point, between a 1080p that they have felt not bringing a lot during play sessions + a certain quantity of FX, and 720p + more FX, they have chosen the latter.
I guess, like they said by the following statement on a "project with less quick motion", if they will develop a Fun! Fun! Minigolf Wii U, we'll have our 1080p game
The explanation is pretty sound and to the point, between a 1080p that they have felt not bringing a lot during play sessions + a certain quantity of FX, and 720p + more FX, they have chosen the latter.
I guess, like they said by the following statement on a "project with less quick motion", if they will develop a Fun! Fun! Minigolf Wii U, we'll have our 1080p game