Can someone explain? I don't get it.I don't follow US politics as much as during the GE and primaries.
That big ass twitter picture is actually real lol.
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That big ass twitter picture is actually real lol.
Wait what? Really? I thought it was photoshopped and Sanders depressed/confused face reaction had something to do with it.
I bet you russia does not recognize that trump lost jewish voters by like 50 points in the general election to hilary clinton.
whyamihere
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Maybe I should've made it clearer that "inaginary Kremlin plot" was what I was making fun of.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The biggest foreign policy issues right now are:
1. Can NATO be preserved?
2. Is there any way to stop the genocide in Syria and South Sudan and the Phillippines from continuing?
3. What do we do when Venezuela falls to open warfare between its civilians and Maduro?
4. What do we do when Lebanon falls into civil war between its huge refugee population and Hezbollah (who wants to commit genocide against them)?
5. What do we do about Russia's interventions in Eastern Europe and Afghanistan?
6. How do we stop NK from developing an ICBM?
7. How do we stop Japan from building a nuclear weapon?
8. And, as always, how to maintain the balance so India and Pakistan don't fall into devastating war.
There are huge potential conflicts of interest in many of these issues and that's a very bad thing to have in these complex situations.
Political capital isn't a thing that exists.
You need both.
The Average Joe voter who you need to go out to the polls and vote for you. Keep yelling at then about healthcare and issues they (all of us) will feel in our daily lives.
The political types who you need for organization, to argue for you... Keep screaming and Russia and how our new President is a step away from reason.
If you can tie both into a strong central narrative, all the better
The Average Joe voter who you need to go out to the polls and vote for you. Keep yelling at then about healthcare and issues they (all of us) will feel in our daily lives.
The political types who you need for organization, to argue for you... Keep screaming and Russia and how our new President is a step away from reason.
If you can tie both into a strong central narrative, all the better
Trump's other choices were DoA because the base wouldn't go for them. Romney would have been fine (especially as Romney's badness was mostly on the economic policy side of things).
Tillerson's probably sunk, though, as McCain's said he won't vote for the guy, which probably means Graham and Jeff Flake are on board, and all you need is three (unless Manchin defects).
Trump would never go for Romney. He was never a real option, Trump only wanted Romney to kiss the ring.
Tillerson is making moves to seem agreeable. Saying the right things and he struck a deal to divest his Exxon holdings and put his retirement package in a trust. We'll see.
whyamihere
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Of course you need both.
Greenwald believing that Russia had nothing to do with this continues to be laughable.
Abinash117
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You also forgot China and Taiwan tensions rising and a chance of another global recession. I can see Congress having more influence in foreign affairs if Trump keeps screwing up.
Congress only has so much influence on this though, if Trump wants to do something there isn't much they can stop him from doing.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Greenwald hired Rania Khalek and carried water for her after Khalek was fired from the ultimate edgelord anti-Semitic site on the left for giving a propaganda talk for the Assad regime at an event with speakers who have been convicted of war crimes.
Someone should probably hack Greenwald's emails just to be sure that everything's on the up and up.
whyamihere
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He's running.
Abinash117
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Not right now, but I think Congress will either pressure Trump as much as they can or introduce legislative work to gain more influence on foreign affairs. Like for trying to gut CIA, Congress will in the the government fiscal budget or a military one; they likely to keep funding and staffing at current or increased levels, introduce legislative sanctions of certain nations on their terms, decrease war powers act, etc. As the months/years go by during Trump's term it would be a battle between Trump and Congress.
My prediction, Trump is going to make A LOT of enemies in and out of the government. Republicans is going to play ball on many circumstances because they need to get some things passed like tax reform, Obamacare repeal, deregulation, cutting some programs back, etc. Although, if it comes politically viable to oppose Trump they absolutely will. Ryan and McConnell already stated they won't do infrastructure spending , tariffs, and a few more things. They might be more dysfunction in the government than in 2008-16, and I think voters will partially( especially Democrats and leaner) would be okay with that as long as in stops Trump from doing some actions.
Granted, but even then, can they not print out PowerPoint slides? C'mon.
BreezyLimbo
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I'm not talking about gaf
I'm talking about the people who don't vote or the people who don't care about what happens outside of their immediate lives. There are those people, and considering that each election a high number of the high constituency of America doesn't vote, saying 'people can care and talk about more than one thing' isn't what I'm trying to get at.
Something like Medicare or SS affects everyone. If people hear that 'OH tomorrow you wont' have health insurance' or 'tomorrow you won't have that SS check you've needed', they're going to get pissed off. If someone hears 'Oh btw Trump has been talking to Russians', some might care, most will not.
That's why it's smart of Sanders to attack Trump on Medicare, and SS. Because those are things that affects every american immediately. If you can't go to the doctor tomorrow because they took away your medicare, is going to immediately affect you compared to Trump hiring some Russian friendly people.
TestOfTide
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We need a Hispanic, liberal version of Julian Assange. Call him "Juan Asa".
ItWasMeantToBe19
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...I mean, every Dem agrees with you?
This entire day from the Dems has been Schumer and the rest attacking Ryan on health care.
BreezyLimbo
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Right. I don't understand why Crocodile said that people can care about more than one thing >_>
It's like...yeah, we can. But regular americans probably don't care about the grandeur scheme of things. Joe from Arkansas doesn't care who Trump appoints. But he still has a family that needs a doctor, and medicare allows him to do so.
Like...Dems attacking him from this angle is great. It's good. Russia stuff? It didn't stick. Not during the election, and not right now. And hey, I appreciate Dems are doing that, because I myself depend on Medicare, moreso than the Russian lovers Trump might appoint. Yes I care about both, but one is more immediate than the other.
TestOfTide
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The Russia stuff is more as a way to undermine the hold the GOP usually has on appearing favorable in foreign policy and "patriotism".
ItWasMeantToBe19
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"Bipartisan" being defined in Congress as even one person in the other party voting yes on your bill is fucking funny, everyone should be able to admit this.
whyamihere
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You realize that I was just making fun of Greenwald refusing to acknowledge that Russia had a role in this, right?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I'm pretty sure that driving a wedge between the president and the deep state is pretty helpful considering that the FBI literally just intervened to win an election.
whyamihere
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The Republican Party of Virginia has an... interesting reaction to the Perriello announcement.
TestOfTide
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Forgive my ignorance, but why do you keep calling it "deep state"? I've never heard that term before.
I'm guessing they assume he'll lose and can use it to drive a wedge in the local party so they can take the state back.
whyamihere
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I think it's more likely than not that Perriello or Nothram could win with Trump at POTUS.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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It's a conspiracy theory joke that assumes the CIA controls the government. It's used by myself and a couple of others just to refer to important agencies that could influence the public and public policy.
My point is that of course its good for Sanders and others to attack the GOP on healthcare. That doesn't mean "the Russia thing" is no longer an issue or that no Democrat or Independent should ever mention the issue again.
LOL WTF
LOL WTF
If that works the Democratic party deserves to burn to the ground
I mean in the primary. I assume either one would win the general.
whyamihere
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Oh sure. I don't think either has an edge in the primary.
It's going to be an awkward Obamaworld vs. Clintonworld fight, though.
Trump said to boycott Macy's in the past. So... Trump effect.
He can't even claim that. They said they were going to close 100 stores in 2017 before he called for the boycott.
Retromelon
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I was having a conversation with a trump supporter a little while ago and he literally said to me that "Mike Pence is a handsome man"
Honestly I feel like Mike Pence's face lacks... I don't know. Character? It just feels like it's missing something. Might as well be a blank wall.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Sure, if you find PS2 models handsome.
Retromelon
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Mike pence is a handsome man should be our next thread name
Honestly I feel like Mike Pence's face lacks... I don't know. Character? It just feels like it's missing something. Might as well be a blank wall.
He's a CAWservative
whyamihere
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Guys: CLEARING THE FIELD IS A BAD IDEA
DON'T DO IT AGAIN
Cesare Borgia
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Just came to post about this. Wonder if Trump can resist rubbing it in.
They're worried they'll lose control of the Governorship, considering the shape the GOP is in I can't blame them for being nervous about moving further left. They should just let the primary play out though.
Bonen no Max'd
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Alternatively, they're annoyed that someone is daring to run a more left campaign even though they were content to have Third Way-ers run the place.
I can definitely blame them for looking at our current situation and thinking the solution is to clear the field before real primary battles. Let's not forget McAuliffe is the guy who was like "don't worry guys she's just lying about opposing TPP to get votes", which was probably true but definitely not politically smart.
Aaron Strife
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Perriello would win in the primary. Northam was a nonentity on the campaign trail in 2013 by virtue of having the worst opponent of the three.
Carpe Libertatem
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They're probably also a little mad that this is a bit of a late move on Perriello's part.
That being said, hope Perriello wins out.
whyamihere
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Yeah, the late move is sort of annoying, but primaries make better candidates, usually. And Perriello is the better candidate.
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