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League of Legends |OT13| Diamond is Unreachable
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The AS slow is because it builds out of Warden's Mail too. Personally I like having mid-range items like that where you have multiple build paths. Thornmail has all of these effects because from a straight stat point of view it's a fairly weak item. I would say that Sunfire is not even remotely competitive with the new Thornmail, given that Sunfire's niche of passive damage just loses out to what Thornmail offers. Part of the reason for that is based on Bramble Vest being so powerful and Bami's Cinder being so weak. The upgrade to Thornmail from Bramble Vest is honestly not at all impressive. If the AS% slow was so great you'd see more people buy Frozen Heart or Randuin's to begin with.
Here is Phreak's efficiency chart if you want.
Black-Wind
Member
Fiddle also has targeted ranged Hard CC.
But yes ... I really do think Annie needs a VGU like WW where they take a simple, straight forward, beginner friendly champ and modernize them in both Game Play and lore to better fit in with the current trends and environment of the game yet still keeping them beginner friendly. (Same goes for Garen IMO.)
They could use the same reasoning as they gave for Eve. Eve's not some blight on the game, but her kit and themes clash (supposed to be an assassin but goes in with dmg over time like a diver instead of having a readable burst rotation like assassins and lacks the tanky sit up of divers. She just sneaks up, blows all her shit and runs around spamming QQQQQQQQQQQQQQ regardless of if she's chasing or running away) and some parts have no engaging, interesting counter play.
She's old AF and I think today's Riot can do a lot more with the concept of "the dark child" than what she is.
You just build the stun out of combat though....when Annie is an initiator that doesn't really matter.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
change annies in the same vein
'fear of fire, enemies hit by fire flee for 1.5 seconds'
'fear of fire, enemies hit by fire flee for 1.5 seconds'
Black-Wind
Member
I was disappointed with OS Trist and visited Reddit to see what's up ... feeling seems to be shared over there.
It looks too much like 2 of her other skins. Not for being military themed ( one might assume that seeing how she has such a strong military theme that spans across so many skins and her base already). It's because they didn't give her a mask.
A mask would have given her the VO effect all the others have and it would have really stood out among all the military stuff she has already.
Sad. I know that Riot is proud of the work they put into her face but come on now. :/
When you think OS you think of that VO effect. They know this, that's why everyone else has it. >_>
Both he and Annie feel like "jump in, blow all your shit and hope they die as you hopefully CC lock them to death" champs to me.
Maybe being able to throw skill shots that leave fire sports for a bit and can set bushes on fire for vision and DoT would be cool.
It looks too much like 2 of her other skins. Not for being military themed ( one might assume that seeing how she has such a strong military theme that spans across so many skins and her base already). It's because they didn't give her a mask.
A mask would have given her the VO effect all the others have and it would have really stood out among all the military stuff she has already.
Sad. I know that Riot is proud of the work they put into her face but come on now. :/
When you think OS you think of that VO effect. They know this, that's why everyone else has it. >_>
Fiddle also needs a full VGU IMO
Both he and Annie feel like "jump in, blow all your shit and hope they die as you hopefully CC lock them to death" champs to me.
I would actually like for her fire to mean something in the game. For some reason the only thing that acts like it's on fire is her ult seeing as tibbers burns. Brand's passive DoT always made more sense to me than her stun passive.
Maybe being able to throw skill shots that leave fire sports for a bit and can set bushes on fire for vision and DoT would be cool.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Jungle Urgot looks legit. I'll definitely have to try. I feel like it really round out my Ivern-Warwick-Sejuani pool of it works the way I think it might.
Still on the fence for picking up Maokai jungle. So many S2 memories, and he was the first champ I ever bought.
Speaking of which, I get the feeling that a Maokai level rework is coming for my still all time favorite Nautilus.
Still on the fence for picking up Maokai jungle. So many S2 memories, and he was the first champ I ever bought.
Speaking of which, I get the feeling that a Maokai level rework is coming for my still all time favorite Nautilus.
Wolf Akela
Member
Mao had a fairly fast and healthy clear last time I tried him (the latest rework)
PhillipCostigan
Member
yeah I played it the other day, felt pretty good for a tank jungler.
Outside of Nunu tho I'm finding playing non-carry junglers a little tough right now in terms of winning games. I've seen so many Yi's and Nidalees get fed off my lanes and even if I do well I can't carry those matches. Probably just need to be better at counter ganks but ehh.
So there's a bug where Leona can walk through walls this patch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_wgsfXQ3kY&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_wgsfXQ3kY&feature=youtu.be
Personally I just like to split the difference and play hard bruisers like Warwick, who get tanky but still have high potential to kill/stomp regular games. I guess there is J4 too in that category for people who like to play :zzz: stuff like that. Even inside tank champions you can find high damage output characters like Mundo, who I think should be better on the new patch. Like if I was just grinding ladder I would probably try to just pick WW 100% of the time.
Mundo's been doing very well for the last few patches. I'd play him but for some reason I have difficulty enjoying champs very outdated models/fx. Feels gross.
Warwick is definitely a great rework. Makes me excited to see what Riot will do with Skarner. I'm a big fan of Riot's work on VGUs, with a few exceptions. Now that resources aren't being spent on class updates the rate of old champ reworks will pickup, hopefully.
What I'd really like to do is add another bruiser, that's why I'm so interested in Urgot jungle. Tried Rek'Sai but I still don't like her, I kinda suck with fighters. Every now and then I entertain the idea of playing Volibear, but the lack of late game presence makes me hesitant.
Then there's jungle Tahm, who I genuinely do well with, but when things don't go right the "dumbass jungler picked Tahm" shit comes out.
Warwick is definitely a great rework. Makes me excited to see what Riot will do with Skarner. I'm a big fan of Riot's work on VGUs, with a few exceptions. Now that resources aren't being spent on class updates the rate of old champ reworks will pickup, hopefully.
What I'd really like to do is add another bruiser, that's why I'm so interested in Urgot jungle. Tried Rek'Sai but I still don't like her, I kinda suck with fighters. Every now and then I entertain the idea of playing Volibear, but the lack of late game presence makes me hesitant.
Then there's jungle Tahm, who I genuinely do well with, but when things don't go right the "dumbass jungler picked Tahm" shit comes out.
Stone Ocean
Member
Seems like Edgyman is out already
He sure is, along with a couple of missions for his icons.
You can earn both of them.
His Assassin form is fucking awful.
yeah darkin is better in nearly every aspect
Stone Ocean
Member
Yooooo
Wow this sounds awful
Yooooo
Wow this sounds awful
RIP Zyra. Someone like Caitlyn can already attack the plants without the plants attacking back at her or anything else in range due to their stupid AI. I guess near everyone will be able to do it now.
edit: Ghost on bnet alert
Truly truly ghost on battle net now
PhillipCostigan
Member
Zyra change is just a tooltip update, it's been that way since her rework
SenorArdilla
Member
Hey All!
I've been playing quinn recently, and (keep in mind I'm not that good) I found getting a lifesteal item first really helped me out.
So I've been starting long sword into vampiric scepter.
Then at first I went bloodthirster for 80 AD and 20 lifesteal, but then I thought maybe BOTRK for some AS too?
And THEN I looked quinn up and nobody seems to be putting much lifesteal on her at all. Seems like most go ghostblade and then more lethality or crit chance.
SO.
I'm not that good, and I think I need the lifesteal, so my question is, which item would you recommend?
I've been playing quinn recently, and (keep in mind I'm not that good) I found getting a lifesteal item first really helped me out.
So I've been starting long sword into vampiric scepter.
Then at first I went bloodthirster for 80 AD and 20 lifesteal, but then I thought maybe BOTRK for some AS too?
And THEN I looked quinn up and nobody seems to be putting much lifesteal on her at all. Seems like most go ghostblade and then more lethality or crit chance.
SO.
I'm not that good, and I think I need the lifesteal, so my question is, which item would you recommend?
Hmmm... I think I'm gonna stick w/ bloodthirster for now. AD helps me last hit, lifesteal helps me stay alive. =)
Thanks!
Ah thanks, I looked that up. Looks like the bleed effect will interrupt the channel for Quinn's ultimate. Probably not THAT big of a deal... Hmm...
lifesteal is more for champions that are gonna be staying a long while in a fight
quinn doesn't really want to fight, just catch someone out of position and blow them up, so she doesn't have a great need for lifesteal
idk what ppl buy on quinn cos i haven't played her in a while but i used to do like youmuus into black cleaver and then mostly like assassin items like duskblade or maw of malmortious and such, depending of how strong i was and who i was facing and shit
i don't think bjork is too good for her atm, they nerfed it a lot for her to get too much value out of it
shoryukens
Member
Red Kayn is so annoying to deal with. Stealing my life and then slipping away through the walls. Wish I had the Ip to play him cause he seems really fun.
okay, I'll try it out. I noticed that her passive (harrier, bird marks a target) has it's cooldown lowered by crit chance, so I'll sub crit items for lifesteal and see what's what.
She's really fun to play. =)
more runes stuff: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/nVHz5tjE-runes-corner-meteor-sneak-peek
that thing deals a ton of damage and is on a really short cooldown lategame, i like it. i also appreciate it has like vfx signaling it's up and shit. i generally track thunderlords but it's hard to know for sure since the cooldown scales and whatnot
i wonder if it'll replace thunderlords, there seems to be a ton of overlap
yeah you can do like a regular adc crit build with statik shiv and infinity edge if you're feeling like it
it works but i don't personally enjoy it so much
that thing deals a ton of damage and is on a really short cooldown lategame, i like it. i also appreciate it has like vfx signaling it's up and shit. i generally track thunderlords but it's hard to know for sure since the cooldown scales and whatnot
i wonder if it'll replace thunderlords, there seems to be a ton of overlap
yeah you can do like a regular adc crit build with statik shiv and infinity edge if you're feeling like it
it works but i don't personally enjoy it so much
BreezyLimbo
Banned
more runes stuff: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/nVHz5tjE-runes-corner-meteor-sneak-peek
that thing deals a ton of damage and is on a really short cooldown lategame, i like it. i also appreciate it has like vfx signaling it's up and shit. i generally track thunderlords but it's hard to know for sure since the cooldown scales and whatnot
i wonder if it'll replace thunderlords, there seems to be a ton of overlap
thats cool
see this is cool shit
now what if they added a rune
that increased melee damage by 20%
and lets their auto attacks slow by 20% for 1 second
BreezyLimbo
Banned
You mean like some sort of dagger
that lets you jump ahead in the blink of the eye
what if they called it
'The Flasher'.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Isn't dota a dying game lol.
Makes heroes of the storm look good lul.
Whoa what
Interesting
SenorArdilla
Member
Oh hey. Lethality builds are back.
(puke)